Tiwari ji Concentrate on petiole to locate any insignificant glands as Neil ji has done in another thread.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:24 PM, satyendra tiwari <[email protected]>wrote: > Sorry for the picture named wrongly. it's underside. > > > On 23 April 2012 13:22, satyendra tiwari <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> I have just photographed the underside of T bellirica leaves. >> Photo is attached here. These were new leaves. >> Baheda flower picture is also attached for the reference. >> Thanks. >> Satyendra >> >> >> On 21 April 2012 20:56, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Gurcharan ji, Pankaj Oudhia ji and Satyendra ji >>> So my small query has created an interesting research subject. This has >>> happened earlier also. Because of the group this has become possible.I >>> would like to wait and observe and learn from members what comes out.Great >>> efforts and keen interest taken is really astonishing. >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:58 PM, satyendra tiwari >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> I have a matured tree standing in my Garden. I will photograph these >>>> leaves tomorrow and post. >>>> any suggestions. >>>> Regards. >>>> satyendra >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21 April 2012 19:25, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot Pankaj ji >>>>> I hope members would concentrate to solve puzzle of types based on >>>>> glands in India. It would be real job because internet is full of >>>>> inconsistent information. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Superb Research Gurcharan ji. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Traditional Healers of India divide Terminalia chebula fruits in >>>>>> over 30 different types based on type of fruit including Abhya, Chetki >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Similarly on the basis of fruit types Bahera i.e. Terminalia >>>>>> bellirica is also having tens of types. These types are not mentioned in >>>>>> Taxonomic literature, so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Pankaj Oudhia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Satish ji >>>>>>> Your note above prompted me to check some literature, and first >>>>>>> thing I discovered what you wrote. In Flora of China it is clearly >>>>>>> written >>>>>>> and illustrated that unlike other species whether glands are generally >>>>>>> present at the tip of petiole (or say base of leaf blade) in T. >>>>>>> bellirica >>>>>>> the two glands are present at about the middle of petiole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94420&flora_id=2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200014745 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now coming to the presence of the species in India, The Flora of >>>>>>> British India differentiates two varieties (rather three of which we >>>>>>> ignore >>>>>>> one right now). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> var: typica (syn: T. eglandulosa) No glands at the apex of petiole >>>>>>> var. belerica, two glands at apex of the petiole beneath the leaf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> unfortunately no mention is made about the places of distribution of >>>>>>> two varieties. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faced with this confusion I rushed to the Herbal Garden in Punjabi >>>>>>> Bagh (6 km away) and a garden in our area whether this tree grows, and >>>>>>> found that there is no trace of any glands any where on the petiole in >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> area. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should as such be looking at three variants (whether they have >>>>>>> any taxonomic status or not be ignored) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. The common Indian form with no glands at all >>>>>>> 2. The form with two glands at the tip of petiole as mentioned in FBI >>>>>>> 3. The form with two glands in the middle of petiole as mentioned in >>>>>>> Flora of China. It would be interesting to know if this form grows in >>>>>>> India >>>>>>> also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also read an old article from Transanctions of Linnaean Society >>>>>>> Vol. 17, 1837, a commentary by Hamilton, in which two forms of Bahara >>>>>>> (perhaps meaning Baheda) (T. bellirica) are recognised: Greater bahara >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> Bahara major with larger fruits and Smaller bahara or Bahara minor with >>>>>>> smaller fruits, described from Duriapur and Domdoho, respectively >>>>>>> (wonder >>>>>>> what are these places). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=KBwhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=Glands+in+Terminalia+bellirica&source=bl&ots=NFhrgPXI1H&sig=BGIsCB4D-xBKR714AC75LG4cBIg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1oyST-vCEI3irAeKoL3rBA&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Glands%20in%20Terminalia%20bellirica&f=false >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps some one can throw some more light on this important >>>>>>> medicinal plant of India. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Satish Phadke <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yesterday I happen to attend a slideshow/presentation where a >>>>>>>> botanist(Not active on Net) showed a series of Terminalia leaves from >>>>>>>> different species. She had tried to document the differences and >>>>>>>> characteristics of glands indifferent individual species. What I >>>>>>>> learnt was >>>>>>>> T. bellerica often has glands which are not at the base of the leaves >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> in the petiole itself which appears slightly swollen midway in its >>>>>>>> length. >>>>>>>> It stimulated my curiosity which made me write yesterday's request to >>>>>>>> Surajit.This is something different than what Neil ji's observations. >>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>> I checked elsewhere in whatever data available to me what I got is No >>>>>>>> glands in T. bellerica. I will check with her again and if possible >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> try to collect those pictures for opinion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Vijayasankar Raman (Google Docs) >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: Document] I've shared Terminalia bellirica page from >>>>>>>>> FPB<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpgVclesA4TroBoOy1jaCFx6vq3Y9C5xAfAIRx_gEBA/edit> >>>>>>>>> Click to open: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Terminalia bellirica page from >>>>>>>>> FPB<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpgVclesA4TroBoOy1jaCFx6vq3Y9C5xAfAIRx_gEBA/edit> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Terminalia belli(e)rica page from Cooke’s Flora of Presidency of >>>>>>>>> Bombay_Vol. 1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (line 8 in the description para). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Google Docs makes it easy to create, store and share online >>>>>>>>> documents, spreadsheets and presentations. >>>>>>>>> [image: Logo for Google Docs] <https://docs.google.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr Satish Phadke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Satyendra K.Tiwari. >>>> Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader >>>> H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. >>>> M.P. 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We will endaevour >> to let you know as soon as we know of such changes. >> To know more about Bandhavgarh visit following links. >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/satyendraphotography >> http://tigerdiaries.blogspot.com >> http://skayscamp.wetpaint.com >> SKAY'S CAMP is awarded QUALITY rating by Tour Operator For Tigers (TOFT). >> http://www.toftigers.org/accommodation/Default.aspx?id=15 >> Review Skay's Camp on TripAdvisor >> 00-91-7627-265309 or 09425331209 >> >> > > > -- > Satyendra K.Tiwari. > Wildlife Photographer, Naturalist, Tour Leader > H.NO <http://h.no/> 129, P.O.Tala, Distt Umariya. > M.P. India 484-661 > Park Entry fee is constantly under revision since last one year. We take > no responsibility for any changes in park rules / fees. We will endaevour > to let you know as soon as we know of such changes. > To know more about Bandhavgarh visit following links. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/satyendraphotography > http://tigerdiaries.blogspot.com > http://skayscamp.wetpaint.com > SKAY'S CAMP is awarded QUALITY rating by Tour Operator For Tigers (TOFT). > http://www.toftigers.org/accommodation/Default.aspx?id=15 > Review Skay's Camp on TripAdvisor > 00-91-7627-265309 or 09425331209 > >
