Dear all: This is why proper sampling is sooooo important... this is not only important in medicine ... for tumor/cancer diagnosis...
its very important in identifying and classifying plants... since this is soft even marshy land and the plant not endangered or rare... may be it can be revisited and even pulled out to look at the basal leaf rosette and the root system. SO I wish we would learn from Dr. Gurcharan , Dr. BAlkar and DInesh and Prashant Awale's pictures in recent times and take all possible defining characteristics... not just the cute features.. they are important too, but not when chips are down... Usha di On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Satish ji for correcting me fast > Let me put it this way. ""This is another example of why photographs > without proper leaves can be confusing...........and where an internet > upload (for me) can be more confusing". > > Yes it can't be C. simplicifolia in which stamens are 10-12 in number. Yes > the number of stamens do suggest C. chelidoni, but leaves are still a > problem. I can't see a single palmate leaf in all plants seen, and > description in FBI does not mention about simple leaves in C. chelidoni. > > Perhaps a photograph showing lower palmate leaves and simple linear > cauline leaves clinches the issue. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Satish Phadke <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I think this can not be *Cleome simplicifolia* as the flowers appear to >> be larger.They are only 4-5mm in *Cleome simplicifolia* which is a very >> small herb. I think this is a bigger erect herb *Cleome chelidonii*which is >> 30-60 cm tall. Probably she has missed to catch the rosette of >> basal leaves so they are not visible. What we see here are the upper linear >> lanceolate leaves. >> Dr Satish Phadke >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Here is another example of why it is important to upload photographs of >>> leaves. Without the first photograph showing habitat, this plant would have >>> easily gone into our records as Cleome chelidonii, a much similar looking >>> in flowers except that here they are more lilac in shade than being purple. >>> The simple linear leaves are highly distinctive of C. simplicifolia. >>> I also ignored the leaves being a distant shot, but thanks Ushadi for >>> detecting 'wet feet' which forced me to look at leaves below on the plant. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> BIG Thanks to Ushadi for raising the issue >>>> >>>> It is Cleome simplicifolia >>>> >>>> http://tariquesani.net/displayimage.php?pos=-2283 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:34 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Aneeta and All: >>>>> >>>>> There is so much to know about Indian flora... >>>>> yes I give you that flower is reminiscent ... >>>>> and the seed pod ... but such round seed pods develop in several >>>>> plants I know of.. mustard is one that comes to mind... >>>>> >>>>> the pic *SDC10265-001.JPG shows that some animal is fond of grazing >>>>> on it... >>>>> *besides showing NOT A SINGLE CLEOME like leaf... at least to my eye.. >>>>> I 'll await Gurcharanji's email >>>>> >>>>> thanks aneeta for additional pics. >>>>> usha di >>>>> * >>>>> * >>>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Aneeta Kindre <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot - Gurucharan sir, Muthu sir & Bhagyashri Mam n Mayur jee >>>>>> for d appreciating snaps. >>>>>> For Usha di jee n Gurucharan Sir, here i'm sending another some pics >>>>>> of d same plant. >>>>>> For d identification I have refered FLORA OF MAHARASHTRA STATE - >>>>>> Dicotyledones VOL-1 >>>>>> I'm also sending scan copy of Flora which mentioned Cleome chelidonii >>>>>> L.f. >>>>>> Kindly Please check n tell me, weather I'm right or wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> -Anita Kindre. >>>>>> Research Fellow, >>>>>> Garware College, Pune >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Aneeta Kindre < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> Here I'm sending some Photographs of >>>>>>> Botanical Name - Cleome chelidonii L.f. >>>>>>> Common Name - Celandine Spider Flower >>>>>>> Vernacular Name- Pan tilvan >>>>>>> Family - Capparaceae >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date - August 2012 >>>>>>> Location - Rajapur, Ratnagiri, MH. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warm Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Usha di >>>>> =========== >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- Usha di =========== --
