Hello Dinesh and Neil, Here's something from Dr Almeida's Fl of Maharashtra which describes the plant in the image very clearly: Desmodium triangulare (Retz.) Merrill, Flowers" *20 or more* crowded in *dense axillary *peduncled umbellate heads, peduncles 3-4 mm long"....
and also from Fl of Mah, the other plant I think you are talking about: Desmodium umbellatum (Linn) DC "Flowers in axillary peduncles* 6-12 flowered umbels*, peduncles 8-12 mm long"....etc regards, Radha On Monday, November 26, 2012 3:36:19 PM UTC+5:30, Dinesh Valke wrote: > > Yes Radha, the pictures on web across many sites (including those showing > herbarium) show the leaves markedly different. > Will need to take a re-look at the plant that I have been believing as *D. > umbellatum* (L.) DC. > > Further, there are two *Desmodium umbellatum:* > *Desmodium umbellatum* Moritz. ... synonym of *Dendrolobium > triangulare*subsp. > *triangulare* (Retz.) Schindl. (not what we are discussing) > Desmodium umbellatum (L.) DC. ... synonym of *Dendrolobium umbellatum*(L.) > Benth. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:37 PM, radhaveach <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I don't have access to my pics now as I"m away. >> Have a look at this and see what you think. Also read up the leaf >> characters in the floras. >> >> http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/Desmodium_umbellatum.htm >> >> best >> Radha >> >> >> On Monday, November 26, 2012 1:01:05 PM UTC+5:30, Neil wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Don't think so. According to Dr. Almeida's 'Flora of Maharashtra', the >>> pods of D. triangulare are 2 - 2.5 cms. long, slightly curved, indented on >>> both sutures, more deeply on the lower one, joints 3 - 6, as broad as long, >>> slightly pubescent. Whereas in D. umbellatum the pods are 4 - 5 cms. long, >>> sparsely silky when young, glabrous when ripe, thick and coriaceous, almost >>> turgid, not reticulately veined, indented on both sutures, joints 4 = 5 >>> [usually 4], 8-6 cm [?]. >>> >>> Also whereas D. triangulare is a shrub, D. umbellatum is described as a >>> bushy shrub [ocassionally growing to be a small tree]. >>> >>> Therefore feel that the tree in question here is D. umbellatum. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Neil Soares. >>> >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 11/26/12, radhaveach <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: radhaveach <[email protected]> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:139131] Tree for ID : Pali,Maharashtra : >>> 251112 : AK-2 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: "Dinesh Valke" <[email protected]>, "Neil Soares" < >>> [email protected]>, "Prasad Dash" <[email protected]>, "Nidhan >>> Singh" <[email protected]>, "Krushnamegh Kunte" < >>> [email protected]>, "renee vyas Vyas" <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Monday, November 26, 2012, 8:43 AM >>> >>> Hello, >>> to me it is clearly Desmodium triangulare as first stated by Neil. >>> The leaves of the 2 plants are quite different. Sorry to add to the >>> confusion! >>> >>> best >>> Radha >>> >>> On Monday, November 26, 2012 7:28:42 AM UTC+5:30, Aarti S. Khale wrote: >>> >>> Neil ji, Dinesh ji >>> Thanks from me too for giving me the correct id. >>> Regards, >>> Aarti >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> Many thanks Neil ji for resolving the ID. >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Neil Soares <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Went through the literature and Dr. Almeida's 'Flora of >>> Maharashtra'. Agree with Dinesh Valke & Prasad Dash. This is Desmodium >>> umbellatum [previously Dendrolobium umbellatum]. >>> >>> Have plenty of these plants on my property at Shahapur. This was >>> identified by Dr. Almeida & his associate Santosh Yadav on a visit to my >>> property on the 12th of August 2007 as Desmodium triangulare as also stated >>> by me in this correspondence : >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/ forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#! search/Desmodium$ >>> 20triangulare$20Neil$20Soares/ wildflowerindia/rwTNMcHRsi0/ >>> dP52UN_ir1AJ<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#%21search/Desmodium$20triangulare$20Neil$20Soares/wildflowerindia/rwTNMcHRsi0/dP52UN_ir1AJ> >>> >>> Presumably their diagnosis was based only on observing the plants, as >>> [from my records over the last few years] flowering occurs in Sept. & Oct., >>> whereas it fruits between Oct. to Dec. >>> >>> It is therefore likely that Dr. Almeida & Santosh Yadav erred in their >>> diagnosis. >>> >>> My apologies to all and to Krushnameg Kunte [to whom I am also >>> forwarding this mail]. >>> >>> Sending a few of my photographs. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Neil Soares. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 11/25/12, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:139081] Tree for ID : Pali,Maharashtra : >>> 251112 : AK-2 >>> To: "Aarti S. Khale" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "Prasad Dash" <[email protected]>, "Nidhan Singh" < >>> [email protected]>, "Neil Soares" <[email protected]>, >>> "efloraofindia" <indian...@googlegroups. com> >>> Date: Sunday, November 25, 2012, 7:40 PM >>> >>> >>> To me it is *Dendrolobium umbellatum*, the horse bush ... locally known >>> as पांढरा चिकटा pandhra chikta. >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Aarti S. Khale >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Prasad ji, >>> Thanks. I will. >>> >>> Neil ji, >>> Forgot to add earlier, thanks for the link. >>> >>> Regards to all, >>> Aarti >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Prasad Dash >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Please also check Dendrolobium umbellatum. Just have second thought. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Prasad >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Aarti S. Khale >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Nidhan ji, >>> >>> I think you were writing to me same time, as I was replying to Neil ji. >>> Thanks for your encouraging words. >>> Regards, >>> Aarti >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Nidhan Singh >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Aarti Ji for upload and Neil Ji for identification...I am yet to >>> see this.. >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dr. Nidhan Singh >>> Assisstant Professor >>> Department of Botany >>> I.B. (PG) College >>> Panipat-132103 Haryana >>> Ph.: 09416371227 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Prasad Kumar Dash >>> Ecologist, Odisha, India >>> email: >>> [email protected]<http://us.mc1601.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> ph. 09437444241 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --
