Many of us may be experts in our own field, occupying high positions and
treat people accordingly in our institution, but when we are joining such a
forum, where more than ninety percent members may not understand a bit of
botany, but have passion for photography and love for plants, we have to
interact accordingly, keeping dignity of each member in mind.
I may make a very wild guess, knowing well that I am doing this to keep
the thread moving.......but if some one else tells me that you have made a
wild guess.....perhaps not good for the health and progress of the group.
I have seen phase of both spending days in herbaria around the world
for more than 40 years, and just 5 years behind a DSLR camera and vast
electronic information on the web, and frankly agree, I must have learnt 10
times more in these five years than I learnt about Flora of India and
outside in last forty years.........All credit to well-knit family of
efloraofindia, who love sharing information.
I think there is no harm in consulting eflora of China, since it
covers most of our Flora, is one of the very recent treatments, and a
thorough one at that.....and more so since both species under consideration
are discussed and keyed. It is also accessible to all. Perhaps Surajit ji
will know the true identity, once it comes to fruit, or even earlier. He is
our one of the most hard working members and needs encouragement.
My frequent request to members (more so to experts). Just give your
opinion, if you have contradictory views back them up with appropriate
evidence, ........but please don't pass judgement on others........This
will keep the Group healthy and progressing.
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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:53 AM, surajit koley <[email protected]
> wrote:
> Sir,
>
> I apologize for any audacity i have expressed in my earlier mails.
>
> Being only an amateur photographer i only try to compare images with those
> available in the net and take help in this group to know the id of plants i
> see around me. I thought this plant is the same what had been recorded in
> "Bengal Plants" as *Mallotus albus* Muell.-Arg.
>
> I am very sorry for my last email and i understand that photographic
> comparison or Flora of China is not the last word.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Regards.
>
> surajit
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Dear Sir,
>> I request you to follow the undermentioned steps for satisfactory
>> identification of your photographs which is without any voucher specimen
>> (and you are not satisfied with the identification):
>> First, please try to learn the range of variation of a widespread
>> species. Just forget about the flowering and fruiting time. Do you think
>> that it is a new species as it is differing from Flora of China. Then just
>> publish it.
>> Second, instead of looking at Flora of China, please consult the
>> following publication: The family Euphorbiaceae in India by
>> N.P.Balakrishnan and T. Chakrabarty, published in 2007 by Bishen Singh
>> Mahendra Pal Singh, Dehra Dun.
>> Third, please collect a specimen of your object and preserve it. Next,
>> visit Central National Herbarium, Howrah one day and compare your specimen
>> with the specimens of Mallotus repandus.
>> I hope, you will get the identity of your photographs. Please remember
>> that photographic identification is never authentic.
>> Regards,
>> T. Chakrabarty.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM, surajit koley <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you very much Sir.
>>>
>>> But, the leaf pictures of *Mallotus repandus* (Willd.) Müll.Arg., found
>>> in the FoC, looks different to me -
>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200012594.
>>> Moreover flowering time also differs, that can also be found in the
>>> description of *Rottlera dicocca*
>>> Roxb.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-338096>in the Flora
>>> Indica<http://ia600607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000967882&itemPath=%2F18%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000967882&server=ia600607.us.archive.org&page=n834_w1150.jpg>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> surajit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:58 AM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A reply:
>>>> "I do no remember the particular enquiries on Euphorbiaceae. However I
>>>> am giving the following identifications.
>>>> .........................................
>>>> Euphorbiaceae: Trevia, Croton and etc. perhaps from West Bengal:* It
>>>> is Mallotus repandus.*
>>>> Happy new year.
>>>> Tapas Chakrabarty."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 December 2012 20:59, Giby Kuriakose <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is neither Trewia nor Mallotus tetracoccus.
>>>>> I think this is a straggling species. I think it could be a species of
>>>>> Crotton
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Giby
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29 December 2012 14:28, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A reply:
>>>>>> "I think I am mistaken,
>>>>>> after detailed studies, I find that the leaves in Trevia are opposite
>>>>>> whereas the leaves here are stated to be alternate. Please allow me one
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> two days for further confirmation. It might be a species of Mallotus.
>>>>>> Wishing you all a happy and prosperous new year.
>>>>>> TC."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 December 2012 13:22, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A reply:
>>>>>>> "Yes,
>>>>>>> It is Trevia nudiflora, perhaps var. nudiflora. Fl. Malesiana people
>>>>>>> reduced it to Mallotus. The references are as follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Trevia nudiflora* L., Sp. Pl. 1193. 1753; Müll.Arg. in DC., Prodr.
>>>>>>> 15(2): 953. 1866; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 423. 1887. *Mallotus
>>>>>>> nudiflorus* (L.) Kulju & Welzen, Blumea 52: 124. 2007." from Tapas
>>>>>>> Chakrabarty ji.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 28 December 2012 21:41, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you Sir, this is a tree, found another one, about 20 ft
>>>>>>>> high.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Surajit Ji. This is a member of Euphorbiaceae (Flowers are yet to
>>>>>>>> open). I think once temperature increase they will start
>>>>>>>> flowering.Please
>>>>>>>> check Trewia?
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Prasad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Prasad Ji,
>>>>>>>> This seems to be *Mallotus tetracoccus* (Roxb.) Kurz as in -
>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109915&flora_id=2and
>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242331439
>>>>>>>> Attaching new pictures, recorded today.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> efi site link:
>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/euphorbiaceae/mallotus/mallotus-tetracoccus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Date: 14 December 2012 21:49
>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:140578] tree or shrub from Hooghly 14/12/12
>>>>>>>> sk
>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sir,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Found this tree or shrub beside a road in a dense thicket, it was
>>>>>>>> not possible to ascertain if it was a tree or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN
>>>>>>>> H & H : tree or shrub, leaves alternate, one or two branches bear
>>>>>>>> spine
>>>>>>>> Date : 14/12/12, 1.30 p.m.
>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> surajit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
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>>>>>>>> database of more than 7500 species).
>>>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds
>>>>>>>> of India'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand
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>>>>>>> database of more than 7500 species).
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>>>>>>> of India'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand
>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc.
>>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise):
>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also
>>>>>> use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each
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>>>>>> http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 2015
>>>>>> members & 1,39,500 messages on 30/11/12) or Efloraofindia website:
>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species
>>>>>> database of more than 7500 species).
>>>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds
>>>>>> of India'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> PG and Research Department of Botany
>>>>> Sacred Heart College
>>>>> Thevara
>>>>> Kochi- 682 013
>>>>> Kerala, India
>>>>> Phone - +914844044436 (office) +919947109987 (Mobile)
>>>>> visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With regards,
>>>> J.M.Garg
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species
>>>> * & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged
>>>> alphabetically & place-wise):
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>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian
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>>>> of more than 7500 species).
>>>> Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of
>>>> India'.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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