Good morning Sir I will try to check and scale stipules, leaves and other keys as soon as posible.
Thank you very much, i have noted down the keys. Regards, surajit On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Surajit ji > If it is between these two species you can easily decide from this:: > > Mallotus repandus: Climbing shrubs; stipules triangular, ca. 1 mm; petiole > 1.5-6 cm; leaf blade 3.5-10 × 2.5-7 cm, papery, base broadly cuneate; male > inflorescences terminal with branches few or absent; bracts subulate, ca. > 1.5 mm. Male flowers 2-5-fascicled;female inflorescences 5-8 cm; bracts ca. > 2 mm. sepals 2-3 mm; ovary 2- or 3-locular; Fruiting pedicel 8-12 mm; > capsule yellowish-brownish tomentulose, scattered glandular-scaly. > > Mallotus tetracoccus: Trees 5-15 m tall; stipules ovate-triangular, 1.5-3 > mm; petiole 6-15 cm; leaf blade 10-25 × 9-20 cm, base obtuse or truncate; > male inflorescences terminal, branched; bracts triangular, 1-1.5 mm; male > flowers 3-9-fascicled; female inflorescences paniculate, 9-14 cm, > tomentose; bracts 3-5 mm; sepals 3-4 mm; often 4-loculed; fruiting pedicel > 5 mm long; capsule depressed globose, gray tomentose and densely shortly > softly spiny, spines stellate-pubescent. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:37 AM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> I will certainly keep watching this plant. If it is a dioecious plant >> there won't be any fruit on this very individual, but there might also be a >> female plant nearby. Will take a note. >> >> Regards, >> >> surajit >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Many of us may be experts in our own field, occupying high positions and >>> treat people accordingly in our institution, but when we are joining such a >>> forum, where more than ninety percent members may not understand a bit of >>> botany, but have passion for photography and love for plants, we have to >>> interact accordingly, keeping dignity of each member in mind. >>> I may make a very wild guess, knowing well that I am doing this to >>> keep the thread moving.......but if some one else tells me that you have >>> made a wild guess.....perhaps not good for the health and progress of the >>> group. >>> I have seen phase of both spending days in herbaria around the >>> world for more than 40 years, and just 5 years behind a DSLR camera and >>> vast electronic information on the web, and frankly agree, I must have >>> learnt 10 times more in these five years than I learnt about Flora of India >>> and outside in last forty years.........All credit to well-knit family of >>> efloraofindia, who love sharing information. >>> I think there is no harm in consulting eflora of China, since it >>> covers most of our Flora, is one of the very recent treatments, and a >>> thorough one at that.....and more so since both species under consideration >>> are discussed and keyed. It is also accessible to all. Perhaps Surajit ji >>> will know the true identity, once it comes to fruit, or even earlier. He is >>> our one of the most hard working members and needs encouragement. >>> >>> My frequent request to members (more so to experts). Just give >>> your opinion, if you have contradictory views back them up with appropriate >>> evidence, ........but please don't pass judgement on others........This >>> will keep the Group healthy and progressing. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:53 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, >>>> >>>> I apologize for any audacity i have expressed in my earlier mails. >>>> >>>> Being only an amateur photographer i only try to compare images with >>>> those available in the net and take help in this group to know the id of >>>> plants i see around me. I thought this plant is the same what had been >>>> recorded in "Bengal Plants" as *Mallotus albus* Muell.-Arg. >>>> >>>> I am very sorry for my last email and i understand that photographic >>>> comparison or Flora of China is not the last word. >>>> >>>> Thank you very much. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Sir, >>>>> I request you to follow the undermentioned steps for satisfactory >>>>> identification of your photographs which is without any voucher specimen >>>>> (and you are not satisfied with the identification): >>>>> First, please try to learn the range of variation of a widespread >>>>> species. Just forget about the flowering and fruiting time. Do you think >>>>> that it is a new species as it is differing from Flora of China. Then >>>>> just >>>>> publish it. >>>>> Second, instead of looking at Flora of China, please consult the >>>>> following publication: The family Euphorbiaceae in India by >>>>> N.P.Balakrishnan and T. Chakrabarty, published in 2007 by Bishen Singh >>>>> Mahendra Pal Singh, Dehra Dun. >>>>> Third, please collect a specimen of your object and preserve it. >>>>> Next, visit Central National Herbarium, Howrah one day and compare your >>>>> specimen with the specimens of Mallotus repandus. >>>>> I hope, you will get the identity of your photographs. Please >>>>> remember that photographic identification is never authentic. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> T. Chakrabarty. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:05 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much Sir. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, the leaf pictures of *Mallotus repandus* (Willd.) Müll.Arg., >>>>>> found in the FoC, looks different to me - >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200012594. >>>>>> Moreover flowering time also differs, that can also be found in the >>>>>> description of *Rottlera dicocca* >>>>>> Roxb.<http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-338096>in the Flora >>>>>> Indica<http://ia600607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?id=mobot31753000967882&itemPath=%2F18%2Fitems%2Fmobot31753000967882&server=ia600607.us.archive.org&page=n834_w1150.jpg> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:58 AM, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>> "I do no remember the particular enquiries on Euphorbiaceae. >>>>>>> However I am giving the following identifications. >>>>>>> ......................................... >>>>>>> Euphorbiaceae: Trevia, Croton and etc. perhaps from West Bengal:*It is >>>>>>> Mallotus repandus. >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> Happy new year. >>>>>>> Tapas Chakrabarty." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 December 2012 20:59, Giby Kuriakose >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is neither Trewia nor Mallotus tetracoccus. >>>>>>>> I think this is a straggling species. I think it could be a species >>>>>>>> of Crotton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Giby >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 December 2012 14:28, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>>>> "I think I am mistaken, >>>>>>>>> after detailed studies, I find that the leaves in Trevia are >>>>>>>>> opposite whereas the leaves here are stated to be alternate. Please >>>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>>> me one or two days for further confirmation. It might be a species of >>>>>>>>> Mallotus. >>>>>>>>> Wishing you all a happy and prosperous new year. >>>>>>>>> TC." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 29 December 2012 13:22, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A reply: >>>>>>>>>> "Yes, >>>>>>>>>> It is Trevia nudiflora, perhaps var. nudiflora. Fl. Malesiana >>>>>>>>>> people reduced it to Mallotus. The references are as follows: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Trevia nudiflora* L., Sp. Pl. 1193. 1753; Müll.Arg. in DC., >>>>>>>>>> Prodr. 15(2): 953. 1866; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 423. 1887. >>>>>>>>>> *Mallotus >>>>>>>>>> nudiflorus* (L.) Kulju & Welzen, Blumea 52: 124. 2007." from >>>>>>>>>> Tapas Chakrabarty ji. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 28 December 2012 21:41, jmgarg1 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Sir, this is a tree, found another one, about 20 >>>>>>>>>>> ft high. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Surajit Ji. This is a member of Euphorbiaceae (Flowers are yet >>>>>>>>>>> to open). I think once temperature increase they will start >>>>>>>>>>> flowering.Please check Trewia? >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Prasad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much Prasad Ji, >>>>>>>>>>> This seems to be *Mallotus tetracoccus* (Roxb.) Kurz as in - >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=109915&flora_id=2and >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242331439 >>>>>>>>>>> Attaching new pictures, recorded today. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> efi site link: >>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/e/euphorbiaceae/mallotus/mallotus-tetracoccus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 14 December 2012 21:49 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:140578] tree or shrub from Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>> 14/12/12 sk >>>>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Found this tree or shrub beside a road in a dense thicket, it >>>>>>>>>>> was not possible to ascertain if it was a tree or not. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>>> H & H : tree or shrub, leaves alternate, one or two branches >>>>>>>>>>> bear spine >>>>>>>>>>> Date : 14/12/12, 1.30 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>>>>>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>>>>>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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