For English speakers an example (made up) could be how we would pronounce these
heatable (i.e., able to be heated) heat+table > On 22 Oct 2023, at 05:54, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY > <[email protected]> wrote: > > In geminates like क्क, according to the Pratishakhyas, the contact in the > first consonant is not released, and the same contact as the first consonant > continues to be held longer till it is released slightly later. In such > cases, the first consonant is called अभिनिधान. [स्पर्शस्य स्पर्शेऽभिनिधान:] > > Madhav M. Deshpande > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics > University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies > Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India > > [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] > > > On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Very clear. Thanks. >> >> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023, 12:36 Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY, >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Somewhere along the line something seems to have gone wrong with the email >>> address for the Indology List. This is an attempt to get the correct info >>> back into the conversation thread. >>> >>> HHH >>> >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: "Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY" <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Whitney and doubling of "ch" >>>> Date: October 21, 2023 at 11:28:56 CDT >>>> To: Harry Spier <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Cc: McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>, "[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Reply-To: "Hock, Hans Henrich" <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> >>>> In a geminate, the consonant duration is longer and is distributed over >>>> two syllables; the first part forms the coda of the preceding syllable >>>> (and, if the vowel of that syllable is short, make the syllable heavy), >>>> the second part is the onset of the following syllable. (A geminate, >>>> however, is not a double consonant, in the sense that each part is >>>> released; rather the articulatory gesture for the consonant is held >>>> constant during the geminate.) >>>> >>>> I hope this helps; please excuse the somewhat technical language. >>>> >>>> HHH >>>> >>>>> On Oct 21, 2023, at 03:44, Harry Spier <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I asked if in the Rg-veda as chanted today, it is gachati or gacchati >>>>> that is chanted and Madhav answered that in this youtube recording >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI >>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPJOiAUT4$> >>>>> he heard gacchati. But then I realized I'm not clear what the >>>>> difference in pronounciation between a geminate and a non-geminate is. >>>>> In other words is the difference in pronounciation between gachati / >>>>> gacchati , patra / pattra , karma / karmma etc. just that the geminated >>>>> syllable is held longer than if it was non-geminated or is it more like >>>>> gach-ati / gach-chati , pa-tra /pat-tra , kar-ma /karm-ma >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Harry Spier >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:16 PM Madhav Deshpande <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> In this recitation, I hear गच्छति, rather than गछति. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI >>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPJOiAUT4$> >>>>>> >>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>>>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >>>>>> India >>>>>> >>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:57 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> To clarify one point. In the Rg-veda as its chanted today, is whats >>>>>>> chanted gacchati or gachati. >>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPBYRxs6k$> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!70x0P0eeWpatqzoxH6vgbJG_SKC7QKpTfpD3a6hlsKvQk3xWaQI4mCmg2Eo8Yk14uY3NWc1XbamyH-u0uhyB6whTb1E-$ >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >> >> _______________________________________________ >> INDOLOGY mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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