American English often changes ’t’ to ‘d’. Example: better is pronounced ‘bedder’.
get along -> ged along, and thousands more. > On Oct 21, 2023, at 2:50 PM, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, American English. There’s variation there, but dentals tend to lose > aspiration in words like that. But I’m from the American south, so maybe it’s > just how we talk down there. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 21, 2023, at 4:11 PM, Valerie Roebuck <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Do you mean in American English? It certainly doesn’t in British English. >> >> Valerie J Roebuck >> Manchester, UK >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 21 Oct 2023, at 19:02, Collins, Brian via INDOLOGY >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Except for our internal sandhi makes “heatable” sound like “heedable.” >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 21, 2023, at 1:38 PM, Royce Wiles via INDOLOGY >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Use caution with links and attachments. >>>> For English speakers an example (made up) could be how we would pronounce >>>> these >>>> >>>> heatable (i.e., able to be heated) >>>> heat+table >>>> >>>>> On 22 Oct 2023, at 05:54, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> In geminates like क्क, according to the Pratishakhyas, the contact in the >>>>> first consonant is not released, and the same contact as the first >>>>> consonant continues to be held longer till it is released slightly later. >>>>> In such cases, the first consonant is called अभिनिधान. [स्पर्शस्य >>>>> स्पर्शेऽभिनिधान:] >>>>> >>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, >>>>> India >>>>> >>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 9:49 AM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> Very clear. Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2023, 12:36 Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY, >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> Somewhere along the line something seems to have gone wrong with the >>>>>>> email address for the Indology List. This is an attempt to get the >>>>>>> correct info back into the conversation thread. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HHH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Hock, Hans Henrich via INDOLOGY" <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Whitney and doubling of "ch" >>>>>>>> Date: October 21, 2023 at 11:28:56 CDT >>>>>>>> To: Harry Spier <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>> Cc: McComas Taylor via INDOLOGY <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>, "[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: "Hock, Hans Henrich" <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In a geminate, the consonant duration is longer and is distributed >>>>>>>> over two syllables; the first part forms the coda of the preceding >>>>>>>> syllable (and, if the vowel of that syllable is short, make the >>>>>>>> syllable heavy), the second part is the onset of the following >>>>>>>> syllable. (A geminate, however, is not a double consonant, in the >>>>>>>> sense that each part is released; rather the articulatory gesture for >>>>>>>> the consonant is held constant during the geminate.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this helps; please excuse the somewhat technical language. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HHH >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2023, at 03:44, Harry Spier <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I asked if in the Rg-veda as chanted today, it is gachati or gacchati >>>>>>>>> that is chanted and Madhav answered that in this youtube recording >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI >>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPJOiAUT4$> >>>>>>>>> he heard gacchati. But then I realized I'm not clear what the >>>>>>>>> difference in pronounciation between a geminate and a non-geminate >>>>>>>>> is. In other words is the difference in pronounciation between >>>>>>>>> gachati / gacchati , patra / pattra , karma / karmma etc. just that >>>>>>>>> the geminated syllable is held longer than if it was non-geminated or >>>>>>>>> is it more like gach-ati / gach-chati , pa-tra /pat-tra , kar-ma >>>>>>>>> /karm-ma >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:16 PM Madhav Deshpande <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> In this recitation, I hear गच्छति, rather than गछति. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI >>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvk2JxmD7zI__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPJOiAUT4$> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande >>>>>>>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics >>>>>>>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA >>>>>>>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies >>>>>>>>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, >>>>>>>>>> Bangalore, India >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:57 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> To clarify one point. In the Rg-veda as its chanted today, is >>>>>>>>>>> whats chanted gacchati or gachati. >>>>>>>>>>> Harry Spier >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>>>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!8FlAwo5r4YEjyYFgm1CcNqmAImPqcnnRcZhHLIdakLyfW9oZDgQ1ONi8tRyhN-hyXQKW8bWU61DBm4e9JEEPBYRxs6k$> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology__;!!DZ3fjg!70x0P0eeWpatqzoxH6vgbJG_SKC7QKpTfpD3a6hlsKvQk3xWaQI4mCmg2Eo8Yk14uY3NWc1XbamyH-u0uhyB6whTb1E-$ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> INDOLOGY mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology > > _______________________________________________ > INDOLOGY mailing list > [email protected] > https://list.indology.info/mailman/listinfo/indology
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