Forgot to send it to the list... > Hello, > > The thing that interests me about the Anglican situation is with Churches > around the world saying that they will spilt from the Anglican Church. I > have some friends in NSW who have been ordained in a diocese such as > Armidale, and their ordination would not be recognised by say Sydney > Diocese, just on the basis that the ordination was not in Sydney, nothing to > do with sexual orientation etc. If this is the case in NSW, I am suprised > with the wrold wide reaction to what happened in the US. > > Later > > Wesley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lindsay Brash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: Anglicans, Episcopalians, CISAFIM and stuff > > > > G'day All, > > > > At 10:57 AM 5/11/03 +1100, Gordon Ramsay wrote: > > >Firstly, I have been a bit surprised that all of the angst has come out > > >over the consecration of a USA bishop. My surprise is that it is about > > >"bishops". And if a gay person is being consecrated as a bishop, > they're > > >already a priest. I would have thought that the problem would have been > > >just as significant with a gay person being a priest as with being a > > >bishop. If any major falling out was to take place, shouldn't it have > > >happened earlier over gay priests, rather than waiting till one got to be > > >a bishop? Any ideas on this one? > > > > Yes I have had similar thoughts. I think the difference for the people in > > question (Gene Robinson and Jeffery Johns) is that at the time of their > > ordination they were not openly gay and/or not openly in a gay > > relationship. When they subsequently "came out" or started a > relationship, > > there is not a significant defining moment at which to protest. And I'm > > not sure what would be the mechanism for removing a priest - maybe that is > > considered too hard. > > > > But that raises another question - have there been any attempts to ordain > a > > priest who is in a homosexual relationship? If yes, why were they not > > protested? If no, perhaps that shows that it is easier for conservative > > elements to keep these people out of the priesthood entirely - it is > easier > > to raise doubts about a persons suitability for ministry *before* they are > > in ministry. But for Gene Robinson to be considered bishop material he > > must have shown himself to be rather suitable for ministry, so it is more > > difficult to raise popular doubts. > > > > >Secondly, in the interview on Lateline the other night, Peter Jensen (who > > >I thought did pretty well) also talked about the difficulty he had with > > >the proposed consecration of a celibate gay man as a bishop earlier this > > >year (which did not proceed). I thought his argument had pretty good > > >internal validity - but it revolved around the fact that the man "had not > > >repented" of an earlier gay relationship. Therefore adherence and > > >commitment to Celibacy in Singleness and Faithfulness in Marriage > > >(CISAFIM) was not a good enough sexual ethic. > > >It was the first time that I think I had heard CISAFIM being described as > > >insufficient from someone in the quite conservative part of the argument. > > > > I guess it is a fine line but I suppose Jensen would say that adherence > and > > commitment to CISAFIM needs to include repentance for transgressions > > against it. And I think that most christians would expect the same > > principle to apply whether they were committed to, say, the 10 > commandments > > or to the great commandment. As it happens, I'm not sure that Johns is > > saying he is committed to CISAFIM, just that he is celibate. > > > > Kind regards, > > Lindsay Brash. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message > body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) > > See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >
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