Re: theage.com.au ~ GAY ministers still up for debate

[Darren Wright]

Gday Sue I'm no longer a sinner, now a fool... ahh the redemtive work of Christ. I hear the point Sue, but the movements of fundamentalism (good book is by Michael Fallon) and Orthodoxy i think have a lot to do with our current debate. The real discussions are surrounding not only how we read the bible, but also how we understand Salvation. I talk with people about the use of the word Orthodoxy in the current discussion and a common response is to say that there "Are some Fundamentals" to which we as a church need or must adhere to.  This in itself would link Orthodoxy with fundamentalism, and it is in this way that I linked the two in our discussion. Of course the issues in all these cases are much more difficult than JUST saying it's a faith issue, but in many ways faith/fundamentalism is a major part of these disputes.  The entrance of faith in a discussion makes it harder for parties to meet and hear one another. I linked it in this case to express my concern of the uses of the image that "blood will be spilt" at the next assembly.  Yes it is a great leap to now talk about this as a war, but is it hard to imagine? I hear war metaphors, I hear talk about those evil people in the assembly, i hear a call back to the RIGHt way of reading the bible and the Orthodox way of being church and... I hear these calls for blood and I am scared because it may be a huge leap and in injustice to those people o/s who are in these situations BUT is it REALLY that hard to make the leap? What I read in the paper was a call to arms... I'm thinking metaphorically not necessarily literally... The leap is there and from where I'm reading and hearing it isnt that hard to imagine. What I heard form a number of people yesterday was a shock that someone could use these types of words, I was expressing my thoughts that actually I am not surprised, not in the slightest that these are the words coming out of EMU at this point in time. Shalom -- Darren Wright Fool Youth and Family Worker UCA NSW Synod Presbytery of Canberra Region GPO Box 221. Canberra. ACT. 2601. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02 6248 9311 (office) "The Gospel must be constantly forwarded to a new address, because the recipient is repeatedly changing place of residence." - Helmut Thielicke ------------------------------------------------------ - You are subscribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the message body 'unsubscribe insights-l' (ell, not one (1)) See: http://nsw.uca.org.au/insights-l-information.htm ------------------------------------------------------