Hello Greg and others,

Darren has suggested we stop the debate on sexuality. My point is about the use of the 
bible (and Lindsay has raised another good point about how we regard the church). If 
we are to continue, I'd like to divorce the topics of the bible and the church from 
the issue of sexuality. As I have said many times already, I think we need to address 
these issues first and then come back to the sexuality issue.

So, with a change of subject line, onto Greg's query addressing the issue generally...

"Greg Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>If you could give an example of how you use the Bible to arrive at your views it
>might help to advance the discussion. Then it might be possible to compare
>approaches to see if the approaches are indeed different. At the moment I
>suspect that subjectivity plays a big role; a bigger role than the actual
>approach to the Bible.

First, I think the bible is a tool for use in gaining understanding about how to live 
in response to God, not an end in itself. The value the bible is that it gives us 
insight into how Christian and Jewish people before us understood God. Like any other 
statement concerning the nature of God it is at best limited, sometimes faulty, and 
occasionally completely wrong. So I use the bible alongside many other tools for 
understanding God: my own experience, the experiences of others, prayer, meditation, 
worship, caring for people, etc.

Second, leading on from the first, while I think we have come to understand that some 
specific teachings of the bible represent an understanding of God we have now 
developed and moved on from, I find the broad themes about the nature of God in the 
bible tend to be constant throughout the bible, the history of the church, and the 
current experiences of myself and other Christians. Things like love, justice, 
tolerance, compassion, grace are all constant. So in using the bible to understand a 
particular issue, I am primarily concerned to see which point of view fits best with 
these broad themes.

Hope that helps.

Jonathan

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