Argh, re-read my first email. I gave my reasoning there...
At 03:11 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
Erm - I'd consider myself one of 'the devs' as far as that goes.
Perhaps I wasn't very clear.
There is a feature in PHP that could easily be made more
user-friendly, and we have before us a patch that could do that.
I'm failing to understand why it's problematic to use it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
Yeah but my point was that even people for who it isn't scary (the
devs) don't use it very much :) It's just something which isn't
needed very often. So we're wasting lots of bandwidth on something
which not many will use anyway :)
Andi
At 02:54 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
Agreed it's not used very much. That's because people like me
think it's scary :) and that's _exactly_ what I was trying to say.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
It's just something which to begin with isn't used that much.
Grep'ed phpweb/ for it and found 0 occurrences of break n; and I
believe the people developing it would be the ones who would know
how to use it.
Andi
At 02:33 PM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
I personally find working with numbers difficult, which is why
I'm wholly in support of this patch.
I doubt I'm the only PHP user with that issue, due to the 'ease
of use' that allows people with no history of computer science
to write useful scripts (for which, thank you all). But I
wouldn't expect a great deal of sympathy on that point from CS graduates.
nb I think implementing goto/equivalent itself is a fairly bad
idea - I appear to be in the minority on that issue. But I don't
see any problem with introducing labels, I just see it as a more
user-friendly way of allowing nested breaks.
Am I very wrong?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andi Gutmans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Steph Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "internals" <internals@lists.php.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] True labelled breaks
I think that in 1997 when break/continue n where implemented it
would have been a nice idea, but at this stage except for being
more elegant than break/continue n it doesn't truly add
anything substantial to PHP (and as you already mentioned it's
orthogonal to the goto discussion). I think having more than 1
way of doing the same thing, in this case, might just end up
confusing people developing with PHP (i.e. the Perl way :)
Just for the record I am coming at this from an open mind.
Dmitry did spend time on this patch, etc...
I'd recommend to bed it once and for all.
At 09:16 AM 2/18/2006, Steph Fox wrote:
Guys and guyess,
Sara and Dmitry's patch to introduce labelled breaks was
discussed on internals@ ever-so-briefly at the beginning of
December, but there was never any decision made over it.
Given that practically everyone who survived the preceding
GOTO discussion seemed to think it was a good idea at the
time, could you please re-visit it, evaluate it, discuss it
(as opposed to talking about GOTO, which is unrelated) and
either OK it or put it to bed for once and for all?
Relevant summary is at
http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week265.php#Heading3
Relevant patch is at http://www.zend.com/zend/week/pat/index.php
And if it's worth anything, +1 from me.
- Steph
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