On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 15:55 +0100, Joe Watkins wrote: > The observation that even a small patch has an impact, or can have an > impact is valid. But then to talk about adoption time turns your > reasoning a bit circular: adoption does take time, if we want for > adoption to take place then the earlier a patch gets merged the better, > regardless of the complexity of the patch.
The issue is not that we are adding a single patch the issue is that we recently change the language in a rapid pace. > I did see your "rant", though it's not really a rant; perfectly valid > observations. Still, I don't know what you hope to achieve by pointing > out the differences between the development of C or Java, and PHP: > progress plotted on a graph nobody would expect to see any kind of > relationship or commonality between these languages. So while they are > valid observations they aren't really relevant. It is the only metric I have to answer comments if the sort "oh, PHP is developing so slowly" while we are fast in changing the language. What we i.e. don't do is trying to adopt our "standard library" to new paradigms being introduced. Also after changing the language we don't really check how this impacts new languages features. Maybe generators have an impact on the way anonymous classes should be designed? etc. I guess most here look at this with a PHP 5.2/5.3 mindset, not 5.5 or at least 5.4. that all said: > The bug count is a bit shameful, some effort should obviously be spent > on bugs ... This is the actual point here: We as a community at large should imo focus more on fixing bugs instead of creating new ones. If we could spend more of the time we spend on discussing new things on actually fixing bugs instead it is my unproven subjective claim that we'd make more people happy than by any "syntax sugar". And again to be really clear: This is nothing directly related to this feature, this patch or even you, but a very general opinion/observation from my side based on my observations and my discussions with users about current state of things. With that: All from my side is said and I hope we can end this more general sub-thread and use the time better :-) johannes -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
