Den 2015-11-23 kl. 08:28, skrev Anatol Belski:
Hi,
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From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:ras...@lerdorf.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 11:20 PM
To: Anthony Ferrara <ircmax...@gmail.com>; Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] INDRECT in arrays causes count() to become
unpredictable
On 11/22/2015 06:18 AM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
Zeev,
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote:
On 22 בנוב׳ 2015, at 0:47, Anthony Ferrara <ircmax...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is significant enough to be a blocker to gold and that
we should fix it prior to release.
Thoughts?
IMHO, unless we think fixing this would require breaking binary compatibility
(which I don't think is the case) - this shouldn't block 7.0.0. 7.0.0 is a lot
more
about getting people to start paying attention to 7.0 and start testing their
codebase against it - finding both the incompatibilities in their code and,
undoubtedly - the bugs we failed to find. I wish we could say this would be the
last issue we find in 7.0, but I think we can all agree it's wishful thinking...
Consider that Distros may very well pick whatever we call stable for
LTS releases. Meaning that non-critical (crash/security) bugs that we
miss may wind up living on for a VERY long time. If we don't intend .0
to be stable, then what's the point of versioning in the first place?
Xinchen,
Very interesting on the fix. I do think it's important for this to
land with 7, but at least we can have the discussion.
I agree with Zeev here and I had a chat with Anatol about this tonight.
This is a .0.0 release. Nobody is going to take a .0.0 and push it straight to
production. And it is not going to part of any sort of LTS distro either. It's
not like
LTS distros don't pick up point releases.
There is no way we will go 2 weeks without finding something for quite a while
still which can drag things out indefinitely. The question is whether this is
significant enough to postpone further. Personally I don't think it is. Let's
get
7.0.0 out the door and get ourselves on track for regular point releases without
any of this "perfect-release"
stress.
From what I was merging for 7.0.0, I see that there are quite some primitive
bug fixes, a couple of non critical 7.0 bugs and 2 bugs merged up from 5.6. The
issue with the symtable counter stands at some point around the critical
border. I personally would see it as not crossing that border.
So based on this, I'd rather go by releasing. The bug list after RC7 looks pretty much
like a regular patch release, or even better. Comparing to RC6 where it was started to be
tested obviously some more intensively, RC7 looks more like lost attention. We could go
with more RC, sure. However in that case IMO we would catch bugs at very low speed with
no guarantee we have a good thing at the end when we "think" it's good. This
will cause us to defer things for much longer time. Releasing on 26th (or on 3rd with
respect to Thanksgiving, if there are still strong concerns) were IMHO convenient for
this reasons.
People that don't test RC won't start to test any later RC anyway. People that
don't test RC will start to use GA and that will lead to bug reports, in any
case. So IMHO at this point we are good enough to do the first release with all
the known bugs fixed, with the knowledge that no critical bugs are present,
with the knowledge that community projects like Drupal 8, Symfony, etc. report
the green tests, and with intention to get people waiting for GA involved.
Regards
Anatol
Hi,
To give some feedback on our needs for a GA release of 7.0 is:
- Having a GA out is a strong incentive for our ISP to deploy 7.0 on our
server.
I believe that they have done some work to integrate 7.0 in their
environment
but nothing is yet available for us as a customer.
- Having 7.0 deployed on our server means we can start testing on the
server.
Of course we can spend time testing & porting on laptops but as long
as we
don't know when 7.0 is available we don't want to work to much in
advance.
- I expect it would take 1 - 3 months to port our application to 7.0 and
given
that our ISP has maintenance windows once a month I would expect us to
deploy on a 7.0.x version.
- A quality stamp for us that 7.0 is good enough is e.g. the passed
tests for
Drupal 8, which gives confidence.
So good luck with having a release out before christmas (3/12), you have all
done a terrific job! In Swedish I would call the coming 7.0 a
"Kioskvältare" :-)
Regards //Björn
PS Can add that our existing application would run in parallel on PHP 5.
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