Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 10:08 AM
>To: Tony Marston
>Cc: PHP Internals
>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle
>
>2016. szept. 9. 10:44 ezt írta ("Tony Marston" <tonymars...@hotmail.com>):
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 9:35 AM
>> >To: Tony Marston
>> >Cc: PHP Internals
>> >Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with
>> >composer/pickle
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Tony Marston <tonymars...@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >"Michael Morris" wrote in message
>> >news:CAEUnE0dfjJ02g2Rhkp9WvnkSXpoLzjK=tmivdbsucccgxw2...@mail.gmail.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 3:52 AM, Tony Marston <tonymars...@hotmail.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >Typical. You create a useful tool, get your users hooked, then walk away
>> >and leave them dangling.
>> >
>> >No one owes you anything. You aren't entitled to get free updates to a free
>> >tool. If the author wants to move onto other projects, that's their
>> >prerogative. Stop with the bombastic and abusive tone towards everyone,
>> >particularly the developers, on this list.
>> >
>> >Please point out to me any words I have used which a reasonable person
>> >would class as "abusive".
>> >
>> >"Incorrect. There is a web interface which I use EXCLUSIVELY to maintain
>> >the contents of my PEAR library. Any proposed replacement which does not
>> >have a web interface I'm afraid is totally unacceptable. Command line
>> >interfaces went out of fashion when the Windows OS was first released, and
>> >anyone who still insists on using one has not joined the rest of the world
>> >in the 21st century."
>>
>> I repeat, show me any personal insults in what I wrote. All I see are “fair
>> comments”.
>>
>> >you inject your subjective opinion/anecdotal evidence as an objective fact
>> >and trying to kill the discussion instead of contributing to it.
>> >as you mentioned there is a pear package which provides a web interface for
>> >managing pear packages, but that isn't part of the pear core and hence not
>> >bundled by the php project atm, so I don't think that it is a valid
>> >argument for requiring to bundle a gui interface for composer. if people
>> >need a web interface there will be a web interface (maybe there is one
>> >already: https://github.com/composer-ui/composer-ui ) which they can
>> >install via composer.
>> >
>> >"Just because SOME people still like using a command line interface does
>> >not mean that they can force everyone else to use it. If any piece of 21st
>> >century does not come with a web/GUI interface it just shows that the
>> >author is still living in the past and is incapable of serving the needs of
>> >today's users."
>>
>> >first you are arguing in bad faith (eg. that anybody/everybody here is
>> >trying to sabotage those who would prefer a gui over a command line), then
>> >you start namecalling those who would prefer command line over gui (which
>> >is btw. plain wrong in the age of configuration management and immutable
>> >deployment where being able to have automated and reproducible deployments
>> >is a key)
>>
>> I repeat, show me any personal insults in what I wrote. All I see are “fair
>> comments”.
>>
>> --
>> Tony Marston
>>
>
>Your original request was "Please point out to me any words I have used which
>a reasonable person would class as "abusive".",
>now you are moving the goalpost to personal insults (which for the record
>still happened when calling people living in the past and such for using cli
>tools), which again shows that you are arguing in bad faith.
>Please take a moment and check out our mailing list rules at
>http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob;f=README.MAILINGLIST_RULES;hb=HEAD
>and please try to follow those otherwise you will be removed from this list.
As far as I am concerned the mailing list rules do not allow such things as
personal insults and abuse. Show me any words that I have used which can be
classed as either of those. You may perceive my comments to be insulting and
abusive, but that just shows that your perception is warped. The rules do not
prohibit dissenting opinions, so stop complaining that my opinion is different
from yours.
It is NOT insulting to say that people who still insist on using command line
tools are living in the past for the simple reason that the command line
interface was replaced with the GUI when the Windows OS was released in the
1990s. That is 25 years ago. Is that in the past or what? Without a GUI Windows
would not be the success it is today.
--
Tony Marston
