Hi!
> You're right that 7.4 will probably come out, I remain concerned that > fixing any bugs that are found during the release process, or > inevitably those found after the 7.4.0 release occurs, would be more > difficult if people are hesitant to discuss issues on internals. What is the base of your concern? Were you or anybody else deterred from using bugs.php.net and reporting 7.4 issue because of completely unrelated discussions going on internals? Which specific bugs were those? Please point them out to the RMs so they could get proper attention. That's why we have threads in every mailing software out there - so you could manage multiple conversations without interfering with each other. I so far haven't heard of any bugs being unfixed because of anything your RFC mentions. Can you name some in 7.4? If it never happened - and the same for all previous releases, which had their share of heated discussions - then I think your concern may be unwarranted, at least as far as releasing 7.4 and fixing the following bugs is concerned. > I've also added some words to help focus the goal on making > conversations more productive, rather than addressing disruption. I would like to emphasize again that I completely appreciate the goal of making conversations more productive, but I continue to believe you chose entirely wrong way to go about it and any part of your RFC that deals with excluding people and publicly deeming them disruptive or whatever it is called would lead to exactly the opposite effect. It doesn't mean the community can't have bad apples and doesn't have to deal with them - it's just dealing with them in this manner would likely cause worse effects than the original disruptions. The motivation to abuse such system - especially when it's born out of heated discussions and the RFC seems to have examples targeted at particular opinions of particular people (maybe it's a coincidence, but if it looks that way, that's all that matters) - and use it as a tool to suppress opposition (for their own good, of course) would be too great. > * avoid trying to address disruptions for discussions they are taking > part in. It's really hard for someone to objectively think about > someone's behaviour when you're also taking part in a discussion with > them. I wonder where you going to find people that: - Understand the subject of discussion enough to be able to follow it and to render informed opinion on what's going on - Never participated in that discussion or any similar ones - Never had previous discussions with the same people that may left them holding grudges or personal attachments to participants of the current discussions - Do not hold any strong opinions on the topic that may cloud their objectivity - Are active in the community enough so that they can be universally trusted - Are tactful, infinitely patient and have enough free time to thoroughly read humongous discussion threads, politely calm down all the parties and not be ever tempted to take a side of anyone, but remain always objective How would we find such unicorns? -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
