Francis is correct.  The motivation behind the draft was the observation
that there are or have been (either currently being specified or
proposed) several different special-purpose mechanisms for what amounts
to optimized tunnels.  Some of these turned out to have problematic
issues, especially when mixed and matched with other things.  Issues
which would be much simpler to reason about and resolve if one had real
tunnels instead of these special-purpose mechanisms.  The argument for
the special-purpose mechanisms has usually been that the duplicated
addresses in the tunnel headers is wasteful.  This draft attempts to
eliminate that particular concern with a more straight-forward approach
to the problem.  Hopefully it will serve as a basis for discussion, as
Francis suggests.

--Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pekka Savola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 07:35
> To: Francis Dupont
> Cc: Brian E Carpenter; Hesham Soliman (ERA); [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-deering-ipv6-encap-addr-deletion-00.txt 
> 
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Francis Dupont wrote:
> > => I agree (this argument applies near each time where the 
> > bandwidth is critical) but I believe the purpose is not to
> > save bandwidth but to replace special devices by a more
> > general one:
> >  - replace one shot source routing by IPV6_NO_SRC
> >  - replace home address option by IPV6_NO_DEST
> > There are already degenerated (i.e. optimizable) cases of
> > tunnel in mobility, IPsec, ... To have a general mechanism
> > is a good idea, at least as a basis for discussion.
> 
> Exactly the point I was making.
> 
> Saving bandwidth won't hurt, but that's definitely not the 
> reason to do it.
> 
> -- 
> Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
> Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
> Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
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