Jari,

Can you be more clear.  Customers are using IPsec for IPv4 just fine and now using 
IPv6 in test beds.  The bake-offs work. 

Whats the problem.

IPR is only issue for the keying.  And that the IETF has punted on IMO.

/jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jari Arkko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:12 AM
> To: Pekka Savola
> Cc: James Kempf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Securing Neighbor Discovery BOF
> 
> 
> 
> Pekka Savola wrote:
> 
> 
> > Are there any non-encumbered technologies to Secure ND?
> 
> 
> IP Security, for one. The current IPsec can be used, though
> it's pretty cumbersome due to (a) large number of similar SAs
> needed for manual keying due to destination address being a
> part of SA lookup and (b) chicken-and-egg problem for IKE.
> The problem (a) could be solved, and the result would be a
> more easily usable IPsec for securing large private networks.
> For public networks manual keying does not scale, however.
> Perhaps something can be done for (b). For instance, one
> possible, even if ugly, solution is to provide an ND-level
> message to carry IKE-like traffic between the ND
> peers until an IPsec SA can be established. Contributions
> on this space are sought -- feel free to jump in here ;-)
> 
> Then there are ABK and CGA-based techniques.
> 
> Anyway, I'm not sure we at this point have all the solutions.
> If we agree the issue is a problem, the group will figure out
> the possible solutions and their pros and cons. (IPRs are
> likely to be taken in account.)
> 
> Jari
> 
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