Margaret Wasserman wrote:
> >There's been a lot of noise here lately, without real 
> reasons, and it 
> >has not produced much results either.
> 
> At the point where you believe that a mail thread has reached 
> the end of its useful life, you should stop responding.  When 
> everyone feels that way, it will end.

The problem with that theory is that the consensus is generally measured
as a thread is dying down. If everyone that believes this attempt to
subvert a long standing architectural decision is a waste, suddenly
stopped sending, there would be a proclamation that SL is revoked. After
all, there would be clear evidence that everyone that felt strongly
enough to comment wanted it removed...

The real point is that some app developers have figured out that having
an architected space makes it easier for them to know when connectivity
will be broken, but others have not. The arguments by those that have
not figured it out are much more about disallowing 'broken connectivity'
than they are about figuring out when that happens. Reality says that
network managers want to, and will break connectivity when it is in
their interest, and no amount of IETF documentation to the contrary will
prevent that. 

We can choose to leave the network managers to figure out their own
adhoc mechanisms, or we can put them in a structured space so that apps
will have a chance to react appropriately.

Tony





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