Hi, Tero,

Thank you for the reply.  Please see comments marked with [pl].

On Fri Feb 10 14:00:28 2012, [email protected] wrote:
> Pearl Liang via RT writes:
> > - For Registry Name: IPSEC Authentication Methods (Value 3)
> > > Registry Name: IPSEC Authentication Methods (Value 3)
> > > Current: Standards-track RFC
> > > 
> > > There is nothing about this in the RFC2409, so I would say either "RFC
> > > required" or "Specification required" would be ok. There is draft
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-harkins-ike-iana-update-00 already
> > > proposing this change.
> > 
> > Question1: since a new document is in work to update this, 
> > the registration procedures will be updated when the document is made 
> > to IETF Last call.  Would it be okay to not change the listed 
> > registration procedures at this time?  
> 
> As there seems to be different opinions about this in the IPsecME WG,
> I think it might be better to leave this for now, and then we can work
> on that issue by using the draft-harkins-ike-iana-update document as
> our placeholder.
> 
> I myself do think that as the current Standards-track RFC requirement
> is not mentioned in any RFCs, we do not necessarely need RFC to change
> it (and I think publishing RFC just to change one unspecified
> registration policy is not really needed).
> 
> On the other hand we do need to have concencus on the issue among the
> working group, so after we reach that, we can come back to you,
> regardless whether we publish separate document about that issue or
> not (which is separate issue we need to decide).
> 
> So leave it as it is for now, and we work on this issue in the IPsecME
> WG. 
> 

[pl] No action.

> > - For Registry Name: PRF (Value 13)
> > > Registry Name: PRF (Value 13)
> > > Current: Standards-track or Informational RFC
> > > 
> > > There is nothing about this in the RFC2409, so I would say either "RFC
> > > required" or "Specification required" would be ok. 
> > >
> > 
> > Question2: Would it be sufficient to list "RFC required" only?
> 
> Yes that would also be acceptable, but "Specification required" would
> be more inline with other cryptographic algorithms specified in the
> RFC2409 (encryption algorithm, hash algorithm etc), so I would prefer
> "Specification required".
> 
> The exact text in RFC2409 for similar registries is:
> 
>    Requests for assignment of new encryption algorithm values must be
>    accompanied by a reference to a standards-track or Informational
>    RFC or a reference to published cryptographic literature which
>    describes this algorithm.
> 

[pl] I changed the reg procedures to "Specification required" for 
the sub-registry 'PRF' at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipsec-registry.

> > - For these 'early assignment' registrations as per
> > ietf-ipsec-ike-ecc-groups, you commented the following:
> > 
> > > > 6 EC2NGF163Random2
> > > > 7 EC2NGF163Koblitz
> > > > 8 EC2NGF283Random
> > > > 9 EC2NGF283Koblitz
> > > > 10 EC2NGF409Random
> > > > 11 EC2NGF409Koblitz
> > > > 12 EC2NGF571Random
> > > > 13 EC2NGF571Koblitz
> > > 
> > > These are from the
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipsec-ike-ecc-groups-04 version,
> > > i.e. the registry was updated at some point in 2002 even when the
> > > registry had registration policy of "RFC Required" and the document
> > > was still draft (and was never published as RFC).
> > > 
> > > I think you should remove "Panjwani" and "Blake-Wilson" and put
> > > "ipsec-ike-ecc-groups" for all of them, and put some down a footnote
> > > saying that the registry was updated too early and the draft never
> > > made it to the RFC, but as these values might be used by some
> > > implementations they are left there in the registry, but new
> > > implementations should not use them. Also the reference could point
> > > out that the values in the registry match the -04 version of the
> > > document.
> > 
> > [pl] I have removed the version number from the draft string.  (I was
> > unable to locate those assignments (e.g. EC2NGF163Random2) in version 4.)
> > I have also remove both "Panjwani" and "Blake-Wilson" from the registry.
> > I have also marked the draft-ipsec-ike-ecc-group as expired in 
> > the registry since it has never made it to an RFC.
> > Regarding the footnote, I've drafted something as follows:
> > 
> > [[
> > Note: these values were reserved as per draft-ipsec-ike-ecc-groups which 
> > never made it to the RFC.  These values might be used by some 
> > implementations as currently registered in the registry, but new 
> > implementations should not use them.
> > ]]
> > 
> > Question: does the above look okay?  Please comment.  When I receive 
> > your edits, I will add the "Note" to the registry.
> 
> That note seems to be ok.
> 
> > Please see: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipsec-registry
> 
[pl] Done.  I'll submit this for conversion to XML as the source. 
If you see any errors, please let us know.

> Your changes seem to be ok.
> 
> BTW, is there any way to get diffs to the registries, in the same way
> you can get diffs to the drafts. It would be useful when checking out
> what has changed in the registry and when.
> 
> Do you keep old versions of the registries and if so, is there a way
> to fetch those using http so I could use rfcdiff (or wdiff, or make
> separate tool for that) to make side by side diffs of the registries.
> 

[pl] we do not offer this at this time, however we can consider 
what you have proposed when developing improvements to the website,
which is in process right now.

> > When you have updates for the isakmp-registry, please send them
> > to us.
> 
> I will come back when I have time to go through that one.

Okay.  Thank you.

Best,
~pearl

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