Hi,

Please se the current version of the document with the subsection in the
Introduction.

https://github.com/mglt/drafts/commit/ef72ea482af74d4226d3059237024f63d0add01b

The subsections are:
   1.1 Updating Mandatory to Implement Algorythms
   1.2 Algorithm Status Update Policy
   1.3 Audience of the Document

Feel free to provide any comment. I beleive we have addressed all comments
we received.

I am finding the terminology mandatory-to-implement maybe a bit misleading
for status like MAY or a MUST NOT. Any suggestion to clarify that?

BR,
Daniel

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Daniel Migault <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>
> Thanks for the proposition Tommy, I thnik that will clearer to have
> dedicated subsections in the intro. Here are the subsection I would
> propose. I am waiting for the WG feed back before updating the draft, so
> please let m eknow whether:
>
> A) You like the idea of subsection in the intro
> B) You DO NOT like the idea of subsections
>
> C) If you like the following:
>     c1) The need for mandatory-to-implement algorithms
>     c2) The scope of the document (IKEv2 + implementer)
>     c3) Updating algorithm status (deprecation of algorithms and the IoT
> section)
>
> D) If you have other propositions.
>
> I will update the draft this week according to the responses.
>
> BR,
> Daniel
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Tommy Pauly <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Thanks for making these changes! I think this makes the document much
>> clearer.
>>
>> With regards to the Introduction, it may be beneficial at this point to
>> have subsections of the introduction to make it easier to parse. Right now
>> there seem to be several topics that don’t necessarily flow into one
>> another: explaining mandatory-to-implement algorithms, explaining which
>> version of IKE is relevant, explaining deprecation of algorithms, and the
>> IoT section.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> tommy
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2015, at 2:58 PM, Daniel Migault <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Paul and Tommy,
>>
>> Please find the new update of the draft:
>> 1) text in the introduction has been added to specify the IoT use case,
>> and the motivations for having IoT considerations in this document.
>> 2) IoT has been indicated in the tables with a comment specifying that
>> the requirement is for IoT interoperability. I was not able to have two
>> lines in the postamble. It seems <artwork> is not accepted as a children
>> for <postamble>
>> 3) RFCs have been added in the reference section to enable xml2rfc to run
>> properly.
>>
>> The update is available here:
>>
>> https://github.com/mglt/drafts/commit/8c125fa2a82af21a44c5035c3311938d26443652
>>
>> Feel free to comment update the text.
>>
>> BR,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Paul Wouters <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2015, Tommy Pauly wrote:
>>>
>>> On a broader note, many of the SHOULD algorithms (ENCR_AES_CCM_8,
>>>> PRF_AES128_CBC, AUTH_AES-XCBC) are
>>>> justified as being present for the purposes of Internet of Things
>>>> devices. I tend to think that it would be
>>>> more straightforward to have a separate document that explains the
>>>> preferred algorithms for IoT devices (an
>>>> IKEv2 profile for IoT, for example). However, if we do want to keep
>>>> them in this document, I think it would
>>>> help to have a section in the introduction to the document explaining
>>>> the use case for the IoT devices and
>>>> why they are now included in the bis document, whereas they were not
>>>> relevant yet in RFC 4307. It may also
>>>> be helpful to qualify the SHOULDs as pertaining more, perhaps, to
>>>> servers; traditional VPN clients would
>>>> generally not be interacting with IoT devices directly, and thus would
>>>> have little reason to implement
>>>> these algorithms.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would suggest if we want to do that, to just use a [*] notation where
>>> the [*] gets explained as "For interoperability with IoT clients only"
>>>
>>> I would not want to leave it out because that will cause us to get
>>> servers that won't support IoT devices.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
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