ISP-DSL Digest for Tuesday, August 01, 2000. 1. Re: Limiting Bandwidth! 2. RE: Limiting Bandwidth! 3. Re: Limiting Bandwidth! 4. RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop 5. ADSL without splitter 6. RE: ADSL without splitter 7. WOW, SAVING. 8. RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop 9. Re: WOW, SAVING. 10. FW: ADSL without splitter 11. G.lite, splitter? 12. RES: ADSL without splitter 13. Thanks for the replies. 14. New Edge 15. Re: New Edge 16. RE: New Edge 17. RE: New Edge 18. Voice Coop for ISPs 19. Re: Voice Coop for ISPs 20. Re: Limiting Bandwidth! 21. Re: Limiting Bandwidth! 22. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs 23. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs 24. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs 25. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth! From: John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:07:12 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 I haven't used their products, but the Netscreen products offer traffic shaping, and the Netscreen 5 starts at $495 www.netscreen.com "Instantnetworks.net Sales" wrote: > > For limiting residential use on DSL we have been looking at using the > Pachetshaper product from Packeteer. We are looking at limiting speed based > on application and media type as well as port number. They look somewhat > spendy. Does anyone have any other ideas? > > Thanks > > Dan > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Limiting Bandwidth! From: "Brian - CPU Solutions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:39:23 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 a glutton for punishment....hmm, can you elaborate? -----Original Message----- From: Adam Rothschild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth! On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 07:45:01AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > for *nix you can use bwmgr from www.etinc.com Sure, if you're a glutton for punishment. -a ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth! From: Jesse Gasteiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:44:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 3 You can also use the rate-limit statement on Cisco's running 12.0 & CEF for basic traffic managment. You can use it with access-lists to limit by IP range or TCP port as well. It doesn't kill the CPU either. ----------------------------- Jesse Gasteiger ViaNet Internet Solutions http://www.vianet.on.ca (705) 675-0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, John Thomas wrote: > I haven't used their products, but the Netscreen products offer traffic > shaping, and the Netscreen 5 starts at $495 >=20 > www.netscreen.com >=20 > "Instantnetworks.net Sales" wrote: > >=20 > > For limiting residential use on DSL we have been looking at using the > > Pachetshaper product from Packeteer. We are looking at limiting speed = based > > on application and media type as well as port number. They look somewh= at > > spendy. Does anyone have any other ideas? > >=20 > > Thanks > >=20 > > Dan > >=20 > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > >=20 > > ______________ =95 The ISP-DSL Discussion List =95 ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ >=20 > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services=20 > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. >=20 > ______________ =95 The ISP-DSL Discussion List =95 ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop From: "Instantnetworks.net Sales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:41:32 +0100 X-Message-Number: 4 Good afternoon, I am an authorized distributor of Quest communications (mostly with small businesses not ISP's) perhaps I could help you or someone else with any problems? Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: Blake Fithen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop I've had / am having a terrible time with Qwest. I would recommend anyone but them. my $.02 blake > -----Original Message----- > From: GiantWeb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > check out qwest > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Heinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > > We have a Cisco 3620 with 2 local loops, and a dedicated > frame T1 to the > internet, all through GTE. We are considering offering DSL > through BellSouth > in the rest of Fl. We would like to be able to backhaul a > line from Orlando > to our tampa pop. Is this financially feasible? Bellsouth > works on ATM. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > Bill Heinz > Vice President > TampaBayDSL > www.TampabayDSL.com > (813(243-8850 > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: ADSL without splitter From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio_Negr=E3o_Torres?=-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:34:15 -0300 X-Message-Number: 5 Hi All, Do somebody know about utilization of ADSL (Full Rate) without splitter = cpe? Using just filter in user phone. Does it really work without problems? Are there somebody using this = solution now? Who? Thanks a lot Flavio Negr=E3o Torres Tecnologia - GVT Telefone: 41 304-2933 Fax: 41 304-2870 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: ADSL without splitter From: "Brian Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:47:39 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Our system allows us to do this. It works just as well as the splitter system with equivalent facilities. Brian 8^) > -----Original Message----- > From: Flávio Negrão Torres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: ADSL without splitter > > > Hi All, > > Do somebody know about utilization of ADSL (Full Rate) without > splitter cpe? > Using just filter in user phone. > Does it really work without problems? Are there somebody using > this solution > now? Who? > > Thanks a lot > > Flavio Negrão Torres > Tecnologia - GVT > Telefone: 41 304-2933 Fax: 41 304-2870 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: WOW, SAVING. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:47:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 I am with Broadwing wholesaler for Bandwidth. We do businesses from small to ISP providers. Let me know what I can do to provide better business solution for your company. We currently have specials for dedicated T1 with x amount of months free of services. Thank you, Kenny Chin Video, Voice and Data Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: (800) 259-6857 Ext. 6296 Fax: (800) 364-1266 www.Broadwing.com -----Original Message----- From: Instantnetworks.net Sales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop Good afternoon, I am an authorized distributor of Quest communications (mostly with small businesses not ISP's) perhaps I could help you or someone else with any problems? Thanks Dan -----Original Message----- From: Blake Fithen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop I've had / am having a terrible time with Qwest. I would recommend anyone but them. my $.02 blake > -----Original Message----- > From: GiantWeb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > check out qwest > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Heinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > > We have a Cisco 3620 with 2 local loops, and a dedicated > frame T1 to the > internet, all through GTE. We are considering offering DSL > through BellSouth > in the rest of Fl. We would like to be able to backhaul a > line from Orlando > to our tampa pop. Is this financially feasible? Bellsouth > works on ATM. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > Bill Heinz > Vice President > TampaBayDSL > www.TampabayDSL.com > (813(243-8850 > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop From: Blake Fithen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:59:49 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 Not to be negative but if you can't spell the name of the companies product you are reselling I don't feel comfortable asking you for help with a very complex problem that Qwest upper management can't relieve. It's "Qwest", not "Quest". blake > -----Original Message----- > From: Instantnetworks.net Sales [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > Good afternoon, > > I am an authorized distributor of Quest communications (mostly with small > businesses not ISP's) perhaps I could help you or someone else with any > problems? > > Thanks > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Fithen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > I've had / am having a terrible time with Qwest. > I would recommend anyone but them. > > my $.02 > > blake > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: GiantWeb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:36 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > > > > check out qwest > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Heinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:26 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > > > > > > We have a Cisco 3620 with 2 local loops, and a dedicated > > frame T1 to the > > internet, all through GTE. We are considering offering DSL > > through BellSouth > > in the rest of Fl. We would like to be able to backhaul a > > line from Orlando > > to our tampa pop. Is this financially feasible? Bellsouth > > works on ATM. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > > > Bill Heinz > > Vice President > > TampaBayDSL > > www.TampabayDSL.com > > (813(243-8850 > > > > > > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > > > > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: WOW, SAVING. From: Andrew White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 9 Hi Kenny, Would you tell us more about ISP providers, and perhaps also some info about PIN numbers and ATM machines? -AJW On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am with Broadwing wholesaler for Bandwidth. We do businesses from smal= l > to ISP providers. Let me know what I can do to provide better business > solution for your company. We currently have specials for dedicated T1 w= ith > x amount of months free of services. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Kenny Chin > Video, Voice and Data Consultant > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Direct: (800) 259-6857 Ext. 6296 > Fax: (800) 364-1266 > www.Broadwing.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Instantnetworks.net Sales [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 2:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop >=20 >=20 > Good afternoon, >=20 > I am an authorized distributor of Quest communications (mostly with small > businesses not ISP's) perhaps I could help you or someone else with any > problems? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Dan >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Blake Fithen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop >=20 >=20 > I've had / am having a terrible time with Qwest. > I would recommend anyone but them. >=20 > my $.02 >=20 > blake >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: GiantWeb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:36 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > > > > check out qwest > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Heinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:26 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Backhauling from Orlando to Tampa pop > > > > > > > > We have a Cisco 3620 with 2 local loops, and a dedicated > > frame T1 to the > > internet, all through GTE. We are considering offering DSL > > through BellSouth > > in the rest of Fl. We would like to be able to backhaul a > > line from Orlando > > to our tampa pop. Is this financially feasible? Bellsouth > > works on ATM. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > > > Bill Heinz > > Vice President > > TampaBayDSL > > www.TampabayDSL.com > > (813(243-8850 > > > > > > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > > > > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > >=20 > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. >=20 > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ >=20 >=20 > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services=20 > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. >=20 > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ >=20 > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services=20 > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. >=20 > ______________ =95 The ISP-DSL Discussion List =95 ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FW: ADSL without splitter From: Gene Patino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:29:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Flavio, To answer your 1st question: >Do somebody know about utilization of ADSL (Full Rate) without splitter cpe? We currently supply Full Rate and Lite Rate CPE and microfilters directly to LECs and ISPs who are deploying w/o splitters or in line shared environments. Admittedly more splitterless installs are being done by LECs w/their LEC-owned ISPs than between LECS and independent ISPs.... Use of ditributed filters (a.k.a "microfilters") on each phone in a consumer household (cost = $5-8 depending on qtys.) obviates the need for splitter w/o performance degradation. Make sure you buy a good microfilter though, quality varies greatly in the filters we've tested. A good diagram for utilization of microfilters are here: http://www.dslreports.com/information/kb/DSL-1/pictures To answer your 2nd question: >Does it really work without problems? Yes it does. To answer your 3rd question: >Are there somebody using this solution >now? Who? Well yes, Bell Atlantic is one of the LECs who's been doing it the longest I think. I'm sure some of the ISPs and LECs on this group can email you directly about their experiences with microfilters and splitterless installs. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Flávio Negrão Torres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ADSL without splitter Hi All, Do somebody know about utilization of ADSL (Full Rate) without splitter cpe? Using just filter in user phone. Does it really work without problems? Are there somebody using this solution now? Who? Thanks a lot Flavio Negrão Torres Tecnologia - GVT Telefone: 41 304-2933 Fax: 41 304-2870 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: G.lite, splitter? From: "Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:36:45 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 Does G.lite require a splitter panel for the CO end? Vern ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RES: ADSL without splitter From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=E1vio_Negr=E3o_Torres?=-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:24:21 -0300 X-Message-Number: 12 Hi all,=20 Does someone inform to me experience about ADSL Full Rate without = splitter, just using cpe microfilters. What is the quality whit this = implementation? Can I achieve the "full-rate"? What are the problems? Thanks=20 Flavio Negr=E3o Torres Tecnologia - GVT Telefone: 41 304-2933 Fax: 41 304-2870 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Mensagem original----- De: Gene Patino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviada em: ter=E7a-feira, 1 de agosto de 2000 15:29 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: FW: ADSL without splitter Flavio, To answer your 1st question: >Do somebody know about utilization of ADSL (Full Rate) without = splitter cpe? We currently supply Full Rate and Lite Rate CPE and microfilters = directly to LECs and ISPs who are deploying w/o splitters or in line shared environments. Admittedly more splitterless installs are being done by = LECs w/their LEC-owned ISPs than between LECS and independent ISPs.... Use of ditributed filters (a.k.a "microfilters") on each phone in a = consumer household (cost =3D $5-8 depending on qtys.) obviates the need for = splitter w/o performance degradation. Make sure you buy a good microfilter = though, quality varies greatly in the filters we've tested. A good diagram for utilization of microfilters are here: http://www.dslreports.com/information/kb/DSL-1/pictures To answer your 2nd question: >Does it really work without problems? Yes it does. To answer your 3rd question: >Are there somebody using this solution >now? Who? Well yes, Bell Atlantic is one of the LECs who's been doing it the = longest I think. I'm sure some of the ISPs and LECs on this group can email you directly about their experiences with microfilters and splitterless installs. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Fl=E1vio Negr=E3o Torres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ADSL without splitter Hi All, Do somebody know about utilization of ADSL (Full Rate) without splitter = cpe? Using just filter in user phone. Does it really work without problems? Are there somebody using this = solution now? Who? Thanks a lot Flavio Negr=E3o Torres Tecnologia - GVT Telefone: 41 304-2933 Fax: 41 304-2870 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services=20 Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks for the replies. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 16:38:22 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 Thanks everyone who replied to my Email below. I went through the hundreds of email from every one and decided to go with one guys suggestion on how much to ask. So I have now decided on what price to set for opening and then let the Big Boys battle it out from there. Anyway until it sells me and with help from others are going to place an Info page up at that address. Going to place as much info as possible about Broad Band technology Example the diffence between DSL,cable modem and types of hardware and so on and so on. Place where a novice can go get all the info he or she needs about getting connected. Also once its up anyone who wants a link to there site just email me and I will place it there. Also going to place the bid site somewhere on there Not quite sure How I will set it up yet but at least something will be there. I know I typed in ConstantConnection.com when I was looking for alternative to dial-up so im sure others will to and this time may be they will find some quick answers or some great links to goto. "Thats how I got my company name BTW". Any suggestions on the site set up welcomed to. Thanks everyone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Edge From: "MJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:22:19 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 Is anyone using New Edge Networks for DSL? And are they getting actual install dates? We have some users that have been waiting for 5 months since placing the order with New Edge and still no installs so far. Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Edge From: "Darren Adkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:13:27 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 We use New Edge and have for several months now. They are good to work with. Responsive and helpful. We have many end users installed and working with them and our customers are happy. I'm not sure why you're having such difficulties getting the loops installed. They do have to work with the local phone company and that can cause problems. Talk to your ADR and find out what is going on. If they do not know, they can help you find out. Darren Adkins Ten Forward Communications . ----- Original Message ----- From: "MJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: New Edge > Is anyone using New Edge Networks for DSL? And are they getting actual > install dates? We have some users that have been waiting for 5 months since > placing the order with New Edge and still no installs so far. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ . The ISP-DSL Discussion List . ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: New Edge From: "Eric Forcey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:32:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 We're using them... Customer turn ups weren't happening as fast as we'd like (Less than 1/2 of our existing orders installed and they've been live here for 3mos). For the most part we like them.. haven't really had any tech related problems other than the normal new person there. They've been adding alot of people in their TAC, Customer Care, etc to combat their growth. They have been very responsive to our concerns, and pushed things through that they shouldn't have. Talk to your ADR Mark.. he should be able to get you some idea of why they aren't installing. -Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: MJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: New Edge > > > Is anyone using New Edge Networks for DSL? And are they getting actual > install dates? We have some users that have been waiting for 5 > months since > placing the order with New Edge and still no installs so far. > > Thanks, > Mark > > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: New Edge From: "Gaitan, Jess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:36:10 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Mark, What state are you working out of? Let me check to see what happening and get something back to you. Jess -----Original Message----- From: MJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Edge Is anyone using New Edge Networks for DSL? And are they getting actual install dates? We have some users that have been waiting for 5 months since placing the order with New Edge and still no installs so far. Thanks, Mark ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:26:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company is starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country that have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with other small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. Probably the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get an additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business customer? This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions you might have about how to do Voice over DSL. Darrell P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding voice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:35:12 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra per month just for long distance. I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but people out here are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be able to get much more out of them. Marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs > > For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company is > starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country that > have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with other > small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide > end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. Probably > the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How > many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get an > additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business > customer? > > This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions you > might have about how to do Voice over DSL. > > Darrell > > P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use > Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding > voice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth! From: Mia's Virtual Post Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:48:00 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 Instantnetworks.net Sales said: >For limiting residential use on DSL we have been looking at using the >Pachetshaper product from Packeteer. We are looking at limiting speed based >on application and media type as well as port number. They look somewhat >spendy. Does anyone have any other ideas? > The Banwidth Manager or BWMGR from www.etinc.com The Bandwidth Accounting Manager from www.mia.net/bwac jer www.hostdrive.com NetZero = What this company will "NET" --- "ZERO" Hey, I bought my Apple Stock @ $18, WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Limiting Bandwidth! From: Mia's Virtual Post Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:08:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 Adam Rothschild said: >On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 07:45:01AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> for *nix you can use bwmgr from www.etinc.com > >Sure, if you're a glutton for punishment. > hmmm.. cheap, easy to use. Yep, you are correct, lot's of punishment. jer www.hostdrive.com NetZero = What this company will "NET" --- "ZERO" Hey, I bought my Apple Stock @ $18, WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Robert W. Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:13:19 -0400 X-Message-Number: 22 Darrell -- I would like to talk to you in greater detail about this - will you be conducting operations in Canada - perhaps, looking for a Canadian partner? Do you have a technical information package available describing what is required from the ISPs side? Cheers, Robb -----Original Message----- From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 1, 2000 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company is starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country that have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with other small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. Probably the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get an additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business customer? This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions you might have about how to do Voice over DSL. Darrell P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding voice. ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:22:49 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 BTW, I forgot to post my company as this is my home address. I don't want to inundate my work e-mail for when I am on the road. Also, we are looking for CLECs to join into this to piece together the voice delivery side of this as well so if there are CLECs reading this that want to help deliver then let me know. Darrell Hale Tollbridge -----Original Message----- From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company is starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country that have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with other small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. Probably the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get an additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business customer? This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions you might have about how to do Voice over DSL. Darrell P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding voice. ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:31:08 -0700 X-Message-Number: 24 Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long Distance that is 35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at $25 a piece (business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a minute with no minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 minimum for the same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have done with a T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service are around $700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL Modem or T1 CSU/DSU. Darrell -----Original Message----- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra per month just for long distance. I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but people out here are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be able to get much more out of them. Marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs > > For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company is > starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country that > have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with other > small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide > end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. Probably > the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How > many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get an > additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business > customer? > > This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions you > might have about how to do Voice over DSL. > > Darrell > > P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use > Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding > voice. ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Daniel Herschlag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:35:31 -0400 X-Message-Number: 25 Of course we are interested in VoDSL and see precisely the opportunity you have outlined. And I am particularly interested to see what a co-op can do to help move the situation along. As I see it now, we are dependent as Covad and Northpoint resellers on what deals they make with CLECs for VoDSL, being that they control their own DSLAMs. Of course, we can, in each metro area, that we interconnect with such DSL carriers, split out the voice at the point of interconnection with the carrier and hand that off to a CLEC, but at that point the voice packets have traversed the carriers local network, which is oversold in many cases and would likely result in inadequate QOS for business-grade voice service. So what do we do about this situation? What are Covad and Northpoint's current plans? Daniel Herschlag Chief Executive Intercom Online 212 376 7440 www.intercom.com www.mydsl.com www.getyourdotcoms.com |-----Original Message----- |From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:31 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs | | | |Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get |an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. | |As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long |Distance that is |35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. | |Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at |$25 a piece |(business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a minute with no |minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD |bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 |minimum for the |same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. | |You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have |done with a |T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service are around |$700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL |Modem or T1 |CSU/DSU. | |Darrell | |-----Original Message----- |From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs | | |Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra |per month |just for long distance. | |I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but |people out here |are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be |able to get much more out of them. | |Marlon | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM |Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs | | |> |> For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company |is |> starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country |that |> have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction |with other |> small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide |> end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. |Probably |> the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How |> many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot |to get an |> additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business |> customer? |> |> This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions |you |> might have about how to do Voice over DSL. |> |> Darrell |> |> P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use |> Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding |> voice. | | | | | |______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ |To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ | | |^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ |At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give |ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services |Click the above link to learn more and get free research. | |______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ |To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ | --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to isp-dsl as: archive@jab.org
