On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Oswald Buddenhagen <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 02:35:44PM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Oswald Buddenhagen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 05:30:08AM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Oswald Buddenhagen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 05:06:08AM -0600, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Oswald Buddenhagen <[email protected]> 
>> >> >> wrote:

>> >> >> > well, there are two considerations:
>> >> >> > - i didn't want to change the default behavior
>> >> >> > - i wanted to default to the safe (don't miss messages) option. 
>> >> >> > though
>> >> >> >   it can be argued that this default is unsafe as far as the size of 
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >   initial fetch goes.  so maybe i should just make it error out if
>> >> >> >   MaxMessages is exceeded by more than 50% and no explicit setting is
>> >> >> >   present.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That is orthogonal; the default of ExemptUnread can be 'yes'.
>> >> >>
>> >> > huh?
>> >>
>> >> ExceptUnread = yes doesn't change the default behavior..
>> >>
>> > yes ... so what exactly does the orthogonality refer to?
>>
>> The default behavior is independent of the name of the variable.
>>
> correct.
> too bad that you were replying to a selective quote which explicitly
> excluded the topic of naming.

You said this:

>> >> >> > - i didn't want to change the default behavior

That's a red herring. The default behavior wouldn't change either way.

>> >> Besides, once you add the ExcessMessageMode: Keep option, it wouldn't
>> >> really be "expiring" anything, would it?
>> >>
>> > it would still expire from the "working set".
>>
>> What does that even mean?
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expire
>>
>> : to end : to no longer be valid after a period of time
>>
>> : to die
>>
>> To die from the "working set"? To no longer be valid after a period of
>> time from the "working set"? What the f*ck is that?
>>
> are you actually lacking the language background, or are you just being
> contrarian for the sake of it?

Neither, it doesn't make any sense.

> i for one find the association quite natural, and clearly i'm not
> alone with that - the term is fairly established in this context.

Show me the evidence. Show me one instance where expire is used to
refer to exclude something from a working set.

>> And at no point in time are you even touching LimitUnread.
>>
> actually, i did. right in the previous message.

No, you didn't.

>> [...] you made your mind and you are simply defending what you already
>> decided and no argument is going to change your mind.
>>
> or maybe your arguments just aren't that convincing. ;)

If that was the case you wouldn't have any problem with a vote.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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