>         Then they are probably embedded and subset - that's the distiller 
>defaults.
i will investiguate on their distiller settings.  

>         What fonts are used for these fields?   Some users mistakenly pick 
>the wrong fonts which cause a significant size increase in the PDF...
...
>         Open the PDF in Acrobat, go to File->Document Properties->Font and 
>see what it says.

If i go to File->Properties->Font on the original PDf layer file (with empty fields) :
Original Font | Type          | Encoding | Actual font | Type
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arial               | TrueType  |Windows  |
Arial               | TrueType  | Windows | Embedded | TrueType
Arial,Bold       | TrueType  | Windows | Embedded | TrueType

Fonts represent 70% on file size (nearly 150KB of 224KB). The document have 1 page.

When i make the same thing on the orignal file (without added layer) :
Original Font     | Type          | Encoding | Actual font    | Type
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Helvetica-Bold  | Type 1       |Windows  | Arial-BoldMT | Type 1
Helvetica          | Type 1       |Windows  | ArialMT          | Type 1
.... all font are Type1 fonts or Type3 fonts.
The final size for the 17 pages is 85KB and fonts represent 3.7% !!!!!

I don't understand how PDF work. Why these two files are so different (17pages->85KB, 
1page->224KB) ? What is the meaning of Type1/Actual Font ? What is Type 1.


>         No control at all?  Not even on the fonts for the fields?
If we have no choice, i think i could negociate that. What is the way of building a 
PDF file (choice of font) to make the PDF layer file the more ligther i can ?


>         There are two different sets of fonts in play here - for one thing.
>
>         First, the fonts of the content from the original Word 
>file.  Second, the fonts that are specified for each of the form fields in 
>the PDF that you are filling/stamping/flattening.
>
>         There isn't anything you can do about the first - they are there 
>to stay.
>
>         In the second case, you have control since your software is doing 
>the filling/stamping/flattening.

You're right.  But, i can have no control on the layer file, can i force the PDF layer 
file to use an alternate font ? Can i change the font used in the fields on the fly ?

Thanks.

PS:
Sorry for all these question but i'm new to PDF format. I don't understand very well 
how PDF format manage font. I will search accross the net to find more informations 
about font and PDF.



  
======= le 16/08/2004, 23:00:32 vous �criviez: =======

>At 05:30 PM 8/16/2004, Seb wrote:
>> >         Are they fully embedded or subset embed?   Are they the same fonts
>> >you will use for stamping or different
>>The files are built with the acrobat distiller.
>
>         Then they are probably embedded and subset - that's the distiller 
>defaults.
>
>
>>adds some dynamic fields in the PDF file.
>
>         What fonts are used for these fields?   Some users mistakenly pick 
>the wrong fonts which cause a significant size increase in the PDF...
>
>
>>  At last, the file is a new layer file. I think that the fonts are fully 
>> embedded beacause the file size not decrease when i remove unique 
>> characters from the file. Do you know how i can find that ?
>
>         Open the PDF in Acrobat, go to File->Document Properties->Font and 
>see what it says.
>
>
>>The main problem is that the PDF layer file is given by the users and we 
>>can't control the way of the user build the files.
>
>         No control at all?  Not even on the fonts for the fields?
>
>
>>Each page layer of the final document have the same fonts. The only things 
>>that changes are the dynamic fields. I don't understand why the merge 
>>process can't share font between pages.
>
>         There are two different sets of fonts in play here - for one thing.
>
>         First, the fonts of the content from the original Word 
>file.  Second, the fonts that are specified for each of the form fields in 
>the PDF that you are filling/stamping/flattening.
>
>         There isn't anything you can do about the first - they are there 
>to stay.
>
>         In the second case, you have control since your software is doing 
>the filling/stamping/flattening.
>
>
>
>Leonard
>
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