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From: "Leonard Rosenthol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Post all your questions about iText here"
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Sent: Sunday, 29 April, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [iText-questions] Formular Submit from PDF


> On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:13 PM, William Alexander Segraves wrote:
> > I've
> > read that Adobe views iText as a competitive threat; but hope that
> > view has
> > changed. Clearly, iText has significant value to Adobe, else it
> > wouldn't be
> > distributed with any Adobe products.
> >
>
> I don't know where you read that, but I would say that it is
> completely UNTRUE!

Perhaps I misinterpreted what I read. Regardless, I'd prefer not to
attribute the untruth to someone whom I might have misinterpreted. Thank you
for the clarification.

> As you point out, Adobe ships iText with some of
> it's server products (two, I believe - LiveCycle PDF Generator and
> ColdFusion, IIRC).  I have also recommend it's use in other projects
> as well.  If anything, we are committed to HELPING iText...
>

Good. I'm glad to hear that from someone directly connected with Adobe.
>
> > Indeed. The only concern I had about the EULA was that the Reader
> > EULA for
> > Reader 7 (and up, I presume), prohibits the use of Reader on the same
> > computer or network with software that makes it possible to save a
> > filled
> > PDF (thereby circumventing the need for Reader Extensions).
>
> Same computer, yes.  Same network, no.
>

So I'm O.K. if I do the server-side goodies (providing a filled PDF that is
savable) on another computer (server) on my network, e.g., the computer in
my WRT54G wireless router, or any other computer on my LAN.

>
> > I understand. So, it's O.K. for the "localhost" server-side
> > software to save
> > the form data, as long as the server-side process does not save a
> > copy of
> > the filled PDF.
>
> Correct.
>
> The localhost server can save the data to it's own data-store all it
> wants - no problems!   It is the creation of a filled-in PDF via the
> server process that creates the violation.
>

So, if a Java-iText class is provided that does the merging on the
client-side of the transaction, separately from the interaction between the
client browser and the "localhost" server, this would be O.K. Right?

>
> > Is it also O.K. for the "localhost" server-side process to "emit" a
> > filled
> > PDF, e.g., a dynamically-filled PDF via an iText class?
> >
>
> No, it is not.  That is what we wish to prevent, since that's
> functionality equivalent to "Save As".
>

I understand.

>
> >> We already offer dynamic forms support via XFA forms.  They are VERY
> >> powerful including both single field dynamism as well as entire "sub
> >> forms" that can grow and shrink.   Try it - you'll like it!
> >>
> >
> > Perhaps there's a potential solution here for the problems I've
> > described. I
> > look forward to trying it. Do all these capabilities exist with the
> > free
> > Reader, or ar Reader Extensions required to play nicely with them?
> >
>
> Yes, all this works quite nicely in Reader!   If you want to be able
> to save a copy locally, then you also need Reader Extensions.

You mean a copy of the filled PDF. Naturally, there's no violation of any
aspect of the Reader EULA if a localhost-based process provided a savable
fory of the form data, e.g., FDF, XFDF, URL-encoded name=value pairs.

> But if
> you only want to work with the form and then submit data to a server,
> you need only Reader.
>

And, in this case, it doen't matter where the server is located, including
on the same computer that initiates the "submit" action.

>
> > O.K. One thing comes to mind. It seems that Reader 7 does not
> > support an
> > "Import Form Data" action, a capability that WAS provided in all prior
> > versions of Reader that I've tested, i.e., v. 3 through 5 (I
> > haven't tested
> > this assertion with v. 6).
> >
>
> I'd need to check to be certain, but I am pretty sure that this
> works just fine with Reader 8.

Thanks. I'll try it myself next time I'm on a computer with Reader 8.

Best regards,
--
Bill Segraves


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