Hey thanks a lot to you and all that helped with the valuable info.

I think I will get the HVR-1600 and rought it.  Afterall, Linux is about
pain right??  LOL, well its the card of growth and I expect its going to
take a while to get this all up and running.  So a bit at a time.
LIkely the CX driver will develop faster than my system.


Thanks!


On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 20:10 -0400, Andy Walls wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-05-07 at 10:00 -0400, Carl L. Gilbert wrote:
> > I am trying to decide between the Hauppauge HVR-1600 or the PVR-150.
> 
> Many decision criteria will depend on your personal situation, use
> cases, and requirements.  We can really only inform your decision
> process allowing you to evaluate trade offs.
> 
> > I plan to use this card in a server in the basement that I will never
> > watch video on.  Its only a server to decode the TV signals and
> > provide
> > the DVD feeds, etc.  My OS will be the latest Mandriva and I am
> > running a
> > XP3200+ on what I think is an Asus A7N8X-Deluxe with nforce2 with an
> > AGP
> > RIVA128 video card. (Don't hate!)
> > 
> > 
> > I see the HVR-1600 is not 100% supported so it concerns me as I am an
> > ivtv/MythTV noob and don't want to bite off too much new stuff at
> > once.
> 
> Installing and configuring MythTV will present you with far more
> challenges than installing the cx18 or ivtv driver.
> 
> Plus testing of MythTV and the drivers can be separated.  mplayer,
> v4l2-ctl, and ivtv-tune can be used to exercise either card without
> MythTV.
> 
> And yes the HVR-1600 doesn't isn't 100% yet.  Current issues include:
> 
> 1. ATSC support is only in stoth's development tree, and not in Hans'
> tree or the v4l-dvb tree yet.  This should be corrected in the coming
> weeks.
> 
> 2. The initial analog capture after modporbe of the cx18 driver will
> suffer dropped frames and sometimes initially no audio.  Stopping this
> first capture and restarting the capture is the workaround.  All
> subsequent captures are fine.
> 
> 3. Some users experience i2c bus errors that essentially make the
> HVR-1600 card unusable under linux.  From reports the problem appears to
> follow the mainboard and not the card nor the linux OS image. No
> solution exists yet.
> 
> 4. VBI data doesn't work yet.
> 
> 5. Audio capture from the analog tuner is only mono right now, and at a
> pretty soft level.
> 
> 6. Not an issue per se, but no one has reported test results on the IR
> blaster.  This may only concern you if you need the IR blaster to change
> channels on an external cable box or an ATSC-NTSC converter box.
> 
> 
> > Haven't
> > even installed it yet.  Plus, do I really need clear QAM?  is that any
> > better than the same channels on analog cable?
> 
> You want digitial channels!  Especially if you receive over the air.
> The picture is just fantastic compared to the analog stuff.  The bad
> news is the FEC on the digitial channels gives you a very sharp
> threshold between a watchable picture and an unwatchable picture.  You
> either get the station or you don't.  There's about a 2 dB transition
> region of the SNR from good picture to no picture.
> 
> 
> > The PVR-150 looks like the choice.  I don't need a remote because this
> > is
> > only a server.
> 
> Well, if you go with the PVR-150, to keep it viable in the long run,
> make sure you get a variant with an IR Blaster.  You may eventually need
> to use an external ATSC to NTSC convertor box (if your cable provider
> ever dumps all the NTSC channels) and an IR blaster would be handy to
> change channels on the box.
> 
> Also in my experience, the NTSC tuner in my HVR-1600 has superior
> performance to the NTSC tuner in my PVR-150MCE (LG TAPE-H series tuner),
> when it comes to very weak signals.
> 
> 
> 
> > But it looks like I have to watch out because an HVR-1600
> > may come in the PVR-150 box?
> > Makes me wonder if I should just order the PVR-150 and if I am lucky
> > enough to get an HVR-1600 then just call it a bonus and deal with it!?
> > 
> 
> I wouldn't do that.
> 
> If you want reliability/functionality to fill a near term need, get the
> PVR-150.  If you can deal with "annoyances" and wait until all the kinks
> are worked out, the HVR-1600 is probably a better deal.
> 
> FCC rules in the US may require Hauppauge to provide you an obvious
> warning about the digital transition when buying an analog only device
> (i.e. the PVR-150). This is likely not applicable to you if outside the
> US.
> 
> 
> 
> > Thanks for your tips or pointers to reading material which I know
> > newsgroup like to point you too :)
> > 
> > 
> > dnoyeB
> > P.S. Remember, I don't really need decoding right? or will this help
> > when
> > I serve the signal? 
> 
> Decoders are for viewing (generally).  Hardware decoders are especially
> helpful on underpowered machines.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Andy
> 
> 
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