Dear Haines,

I'm sorry for the problems you have with the way Jabref handles groups in the 
new version. Let me explain what happened:
Previously, the group membership was stored at the end of the file in one of 
these Jabref comments. This behaviour had some disadvantages, so we changed it. 
Now Jabref rembers the group information in the bibtex entry itself (BibEntry). 
So your entries now have a groups field (have a look at the bibtex source), 
where the names of the static groups are saved. 
Because only the names of the groups are stored in this new field, JabRef can 
no longer differentiate between groups with the same name. This might be a bit 
inconvienent, but you can fix it easily by giving the groups different names 
and then manually correcting the assignments.

I hope this helps for now. If you still experience problems, please post them 
on github. https://github.com/JabRef/jabref/issues
Best, Tobias

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   1. Re: Groups using not possible (Bernhard Kleine)
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   4. Re: Groups using not possible (Bernhard Kleine)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:44:07 +0200
From: Bernhard Kleine <bernhard.kle...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [Jabref-users] Groups using not possible
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Am 10.06.2016 um 07:13 schrieb Bernhard Kleine:

> I started using groups with the previous jabref version. I have some
> 1300 bibentries and groups are as large as 140 or as small as 3 entries.
>
> When I want to display groups, however, I tried en vain to see the
> selected entries, mostly jabref adds the entry selected to a groups when
> clicking on a group. This is not the behaviour I am used to. How to
> display a group and not add or delete entries from group without the
> risk to do the wrong? It is not obvious.
>
> Bernhard
I looked in detail: I had selected a group of 13 entries. I added the
pdf location of one of this papers to jabref in the "allgemein
(General?)" dialogue of the edit article form. When I finished adding
the pdf location, the selection of the 13 papers in the group got lost.
Clicking on the group in the Group form did not bring up the selection
again, but deleted the selected entry from the group. Re-clicking added
it again, but still the selection was gone. I do not find a simple way
to select a group when a paper is selected in that group.

Bernhard
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:05:03 +0200
From: Bernhard Kleine <bernhard.kle...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [Jabref-users] Groups using not possible
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Am 12.06.2016 um 11:44 schrieb Bernhard Kleine:
> Am 10.06.2016 um 07:13 schrieb Bernhard Kleine:
>
>> I started using groups with the previous jabref version. I have some
>> 1300 bibentries and groups are as large as 140 or as small as 3 entries.
>>
>> When I want to display groups, however, I tried en vain to see the
>> selected entries, mostly jabref adds the entry selected to a groups when
>> clicking on a group. This is not the behaviour I am used to. How to
>> display a group and not add or delete entries from group without the
>> risk to do the wrong? It is not obvious.
>>
>> Bernhard
> I looked in detail: I had selected a group of 13 entries. I added the
> pdf location of one of this papers to jabref in the "allgemein
> (General?)" dialogue of the edit article form. When I finished adding
> the pdf location, the selection of the 13 papers in the group got lost.
> Clicking on the group in the Group form did not bring up the selection
> again, but deleted the selected entry from the group. Re-clicking added
> it again, but still the selection was gone. I do not find a simple way
> to select a group when a paper is selected in that group.
>
> Bernhard
Unselecting "gruppenzugeh?rigkeit bearbeiten (manage entries in a
group?)" did allow me again to select groups. It is not mentioned in the
German Manual.
Bernhard

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 08:18:30 -0400
From: Haines Brown <hai...@histomat.net>
Subject: Re: [Jabref-users] Groups using not possible
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I've complained several times in another thread, so far no response,
that JabRef 3.4 destroyed the @Comment{jabref-meta: groupstree: section
of my .bib databases. The group tree is present, but has lost all
keywords.

I don't see how this could have happened through my blundering. I can
recover that section from all my databases from a backup when still
running JabRef 9.10 two weeks ago. I did this with a database, but a
major problem remains. If I create a new group, it is not added to the
groupstree, but is recorded somewhere else. Also, creating a link from
an entry to a group creates a link to all groups with the same name.

Please!!! Someone tell me what's going on. Has a new group mechanism
been created? Where is that information being stored? Was it supposed to
recover groupstree data from the .bib databases?

I'll have to create links from entries to groups by entering the
information into the databases by hand, but I worry that JabRef 3.4 will
again destroy that information.

Haines Brown






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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:22:30 +0200
From: Bernhard Kleine <bernhard.kle...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: [Jabref-users] Groups using not possible
To: jabref-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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Am 12.06.2016 um 14:18 schrieb Haines Brown:
> I've complained several times in another thread, so far no response,
> that JabRef 3.4 destroyed the @Comment{jabref-meta: groupstree: section
> of my .bib databases. The group tree is present, but has lost all
> keywords.
>
> I don't see how this could have happened through my blundering. I can
> recover that section from all my databases from a backup when still
> running JabRef 9.10 two weeks ago. I did this with a database, but a
> major problem remains. If I create a new group, it is not added to the
> groupstree, but is recorded somewhere else. Also, creating a link from
> an entry to a group creates a link to all groups with the same name.
>
> Please!!! Someone tell me what's going on. Has a new group mechanism
> been created? Where is that information being stored? Was it supposed to
> recover groupstree data from the .bib databases?
>
> I'll have to create links from entries to groups by entering the
> information into the databases by hand, but I worry that JabRef 3.4 will
> again destroy that information.
>
> Haines Brown
I know that there were changes in the group function. But I do not know
whether your problem is related. My groups at least were maintained when
I updated jabref to 3.4.
Regards
Bernhard

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 09:45:02 -0400
From: Haines Brown <hai...@histomat.net>
Subject: Re: [Jabref-users] Groups using not possible
To: jabref-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 02:22:30PM +0200, Bernhard Kleine wrote:
> Am 12.06.2016 um 14:18 schrieb Haines Brown:
> > I've complained several times in another thread, so far no response,
> > that JabRef 3.4 destroyed the @Comment{jabref-meta: groupstree: section
> > of my .bib databases. The group tree is present, but has lost all
> > keywords.
> >
> > I don't see how this could have happened through my blundering. I can
> > recover that section from all my databases from a backup when still
> > running JabRef 9.10 two weeks ago. I did this with a database, but a
> > major problem remains. If I create a new group, it is not added to the
> > groupstree, but is recorded somewhere else. Also, creating a link from
> > an entry to a group creates a link to all groups with the same name.
> >
> > Please!!! Someone tell me what's going on. Has a new group mechanism
> > been created? Where is that information being stored? Was it supposed to
> > recover groupstree data from the .bib databases?
> >
> > I'll have to create links from entries to groups by entering the
> > information into the databases by hand, but I worry that JabRef 3.4 will
> > again destroy that information.
> >
> > Haines Brown

> I know that there were changes in the group function. But I do not know
> whether your problem is related. My groups at least were maintained when
> I updated jabref to 3.4.
> Regards
> Bernhard

I really would like to know what this new groups mechanism is. CHANGELOG
suggests that with JabRef 3.3 the data held in the jabref-meta:
groupstree: sections of bibliographic databases was transferred to
something called "BibEntry". I find it succeeded for some databases, but
not all. 

I see that JabRef now generates a host of files under
/usr/local/share/JabRef/jabref-master/... and apparently overwriting
them are user's preferences in ~/Xjabref-master/.... Unfortunately I was
unable to locate a BibEntry there. There are MSBibEntry.java files, but
these hold no specific group information.

So my questions are:

a) What and where is this "BibEntry"? It apparently is not the name of a
file.

b) Was it intended that this BibEntry preserve the original groups
hierarchy? It does not seem to distinguish groups organized in
hierarchic fashion. Even where I've restored the group tree
functionality, groups with same name but situated in different places in
the tree are not distinguished. Is BibEntry just a flat file database?

c) How could all group data be lost when I moved up from JabRef 9.10 to
JabRef 3.4? Is there something I should have done to prevent it? While I
can recover old group hierarchies data, I don't want to loose recent
additions again.

Haines Brown



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