But how can redesign Arduino traces ?? 2010/7/16 funlw65 <[email protected]>
> Hi, > > I mean, try to put directly the Pic on Arduino board without the Atmel > socket and this mean to redesign the Arduino board (traces). Try it > and see how it goes. See if you can keep your actual map you did for > Cuckoo. If you can, then is ok for both boards: Jaluino Cuckoo and the > Jaluino (Arduino clone). > > Vasi > > On Jul 16, 9:45 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Vasi, > > > > I'm not sure to understand when you say "you will need to map the > > pic directly on Arduino connectors". I first thought to just plug a PIC > > instead of Atmega, but power pins just aren't compatible. I need at least > to > > remap them, this means a PCB. Since it means a PCB, I can (try to) > continue > > this mapping. Maybe we can design a PCB with 2 places for the PIC (or one > > jumper to select mode): > > > > 1. one place where pins are mapped as closed as possible to Arduino's > > 2. one place where pins are mapped a minimal, in this case Arduino's pin > > names become irrelevant. > > > > Is that what you're suggesting ? For case 2., there can be "surprises", > as > > some pins are connected to resistors, etc... in Arduino schematic. > > > > Or do you actually mean to design another PCB as small as possible > (minimum > > mapping) ? (sort of Mini Cuckoo ?). If so, the problem is you probably > (I'm > > almost sure) won't be able to plug a PIC onto a PCB, then a PCB onto > Arduino > > connectors, then shield on top of this. You sure must use a PCB where PIC > is > > on the side (see pictures from first post). > > > > Seb > > > > 2010/7/16 funlw65 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Hi Sebastien, > > > > > At first sight it looks ok. Now, before taking any decision, think at > > > this. > > > > > Not everyone have an Arduino but, anyone knows how strong support will > > > have from you (libraries and documentation). So, maybe others will > > > request an Arduino like board, so you will need to map the pic > > > directly on Arduino connectors. > > > See how easy is this with actual mapping you did. See if you can > > > design the traces without increasing too much the PCB or how many > > > bridges you are forced to do (I can assure you, it is about a double > > > sided board). So it may be needed to remap the whole thing. Don't > > > forget that on second MSSP, you can remap the pins for SPI (you can > > > have SPI2 on any mappable pin) and maybe this can help you... > > > These are my advices. But depends entirely on you. > > > > > Have fun! > > > Vasi(funlw65) > > > > > On Jul 16, 6:35 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi guys, Vasi, > > > > > > Indeed pin mapping wasn't easy. Despite the great number of feature > > > coming > > > > with 18f25K22, I had to make compromise and add limitations... See: > > > > http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino > > > > > > < > > > > http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino > > > >Vasi, > > > > I know this is quite horrible to read :) but I also know you've been > > > there > > > > before, I would certainly appreciate if you could check this mapping > and > > > > tell me what you're thinking about it. I tried to log my thoughts > > > explaining > > > > my choices, I hope you can follow them ! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Seb > > > > > > 2010/7/12 funlw65 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Sebastien, > > > > > If you succeed in mapping this board, then an Arduino clone will be > > > > > far easier for you. I can assure you! > > > > > > > Vasi()funlw65 > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:45 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > As a log, summary and some sort of specification requirements > (say it > > > > > fast), > > > > > > here's a page I've written, hopefully describing what I have in > mind. > > > > >http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/jaluino-cuckoo > > > > > > > > Feel free to comment... > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > 2010/7/6 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > 2010/7/5 m...@watty <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > >> 44 pin or 64pin 18F67J50 SMD with option for USB mini or > micro > > > > > > > > > connector on cuckoo board > > > > > > > > > Such a board would act as an extension of existing Arduino, but > I > > > doubt > > > > > it > > > > > > > can be done without SMD components, right ? > > > > > > > > >> 6 pin ICSP on cuckoo too > > > > > > > > > this seems mandatory, indeed, even if it takes room. > > > > > > > > >> option for on board crystal. > > > > > > > > > What about selecting onboard Xtal (16MHz for Arduino 2009) or > > > internal > > > > > > > clock ? I could add another Xtal on Cuckoo board but I have > doubts > > > > > about > > > > > > > room... > > > > > > > > >> option for 5V to 3V regulator > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to power the PIC ? > > > > > > > > >> Can be used in Arduino or as standalone module. > > > > > > > > > That would be great, something like > > > > > > >http://www.solarbotics.com/products/kardw/. > > > > > > > > > About PIC selection, I've found 18f26k22 as an interesting > > > candidate: > > > > > > > - 64KB memory > > > > > > > - 2 * USART > > > > > > > - I2C *and* SPI (2 * MSSP) > > > > > > > - independant analog pins, easier to map pins > > > > > > > - clock up to 64MHz, 16MIPS > > > > > > > - 3 external interupts > > > > > > > - 2 * PWM output > > > > > > > > > but not in production... Little brother 18f25k22 can be > sampled, > > > but > > > > > "only" > > > > > > > have 32KB memory. I'll try this one I guess. On the other side > of > > > the > > > > > nest, > > > > > > > Arduino provides: > > > > > > > - 1 USART > > > > > > > - 2 external interupts > > > > > > > - SPI > > > > > > > - I2C within ADC pins > > > > > > > - 6 PWM channels (this can't be defeated...) > > > > > > > > > This can be cuckooed by 18f25k22 :) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en546240 > > > > > > > > > Cheers (Groeten) > > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > >> On Jul 5, 4:29 pm, Sebastien Lelong < > [email protected]> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > >> > The Cuckoos are a bird family, known to be brood parasite. > > > Mother > > > > > Cuckoo > > > > > > >> > lays its eggs on other bird's nest. Baby Cuckoo will be > brooded > > > and > > > > > when > > > > > > >> > hatched, will clear the nest from other eggs. It will be > fed, > > > for > > > > > free, > > > > > > >> > until it often reaches ten times the size of its parents > (which > > > > > seem > > > > > > >> dumb > > > > > > >> > enough not to mention the subterfuge). > > > > > > > > >> > This gave me an idea for another Jaluino family. Codename: > > > Jaluino > > > > > > >> Cuckoo ! > > > > > > > > >> > The idea is to unplug ATMega168 from Arduino Duemilanove and > > > plug a > > > > > > >> > Microchip PIC instead. A small PCB would probably needed to > map > > > > > pins. I > > > > > > >> had > > > > > > >> > a look potentials PICs, like 18F2680, 18F2620. 18F2550 isn't > > > that > > > > > useful > > > > > > >> as > > > > > > >> > there's no USB on Arduino Duemilanove. It would need UART, > I²C, > > > PWM, > > > > > ADC > > > > > > >> > (preferably with independent pin), and should run as fast as > > > > > possible > > > > > > >> with a > > > > > > >> > 16MHz externak Xtal. > > > > > > > > >> > Does it sound doable ? Suggestions ? Warnings ? > > > > > > > > >> > Cheers, > > > > > > >> > Seb > > > > > > >> > -- > > > > > > >> > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > > Groups > > > > > > >> "jallib" group. > > > > > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > >> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > >> . > > > > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Sébastien Lelong > > > > > > >http://www.sirloon.net > > > > > > >http://sirbot.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups > > > > > "jallib" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "jallib" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > > > -- > > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "jallib" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > > -- Sébastien Lelong http://www.sirloon.net http://sirbot.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. 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