2010/7/24 vasile surducan <[email protected]>

>
>
> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0iJadzFlwNo/S_OgtycPtxI/AAAAAAAAAAc/vNesIW3Nvn0/s1600/fig2.jpg>Switching
> the clock through a switch is a very bad idea. Very long routes of clock
> (incuding connectors in their path) is also a bad idea.
>

Yes, I guess, maybe the best option remains to use internal clock, bypassing
Arduino's 16MHz Xtal.


>
> Unless you don't expect to sell this board, I still suggest to forget about
> it and re-design your favorite arduino with a PIC on one board, see Vasi's
> board, take his design and modify it to met your requirements, will be much
> easy, less expensive and more professional.
>

I have an Arduino but never use it, so my requirements are "make something
useful with this useless Arduino board". In this context, using Vasi's board
won't help.


> If you want to start a merchantable new arduino, imagine the puzzle game
> (on a surface and not a startrek spatial puzzle) and imagine a complete
> jalluino-picolino (including "shields" ) in that way. Picolino = very small
>

I'm sure to understand, what do you mean ? Is it related to flexible PCB
you're later talking about ?


Cheers,
Seb



>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Sebastien Lelong <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>>
>> One step further... I've created a first schematic for Jaluino Cuckoo,
>> attached as PNG file:
>>
>>   - I've copied ISCP part from Jaluino Medium (
>> http://justanotherlanguage.org/sites/default/files/jaluino_medium_v13a_schematic.png
>> ).
>>   - Xtal option: with 2 jumpers, user can decide to use Arduino Xtal
>> (16MHz), Cuckoo's onboard Xtal (20MHz), or no Xtal at all for internal
>> clock, low power usage (without being able to use pins though). Note with
>> 18f25K22, using Arduino's Xtal gives the highest performance with x4 PLL
>> (not possible with 20MHz)
>>   - I added two I²C resistor, as an option. I wasn't able to find them on
>> Arduino schematic to map them (
>> http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-duemilanove-schematic.pdf). I
>> think it can be convenient to select I²C master/slave this way.
>>   - There's a RESET push button on Cuckoo's board, in addition to the one
>> found on Arduino. This could be interesting when using Cuckoo as a
>> standalone board, as Mike suggested, but this would need to act on two
>> buttons to reset it when plugged on Arduino... Maybe I'll add a jumper to
>> select which Reset to use. I *think* (means I'm not sure) Arduino's Reset
>> schematic should work with Cuckoo.
>>
>> Before I start to pull my hair with the PCB, do you any comments,
>> suggestions, ... ?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Seb
>>
>> 2010/7/16 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
>>
>> Hi guys, Vasi,
>>>
>>> Indeed pin mapping wasn't easy. Despite the great number of feature
>>> coming with 18f25K22, I had to make compromise and add limitations... See:
>>> http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino>Vasi,
>>> I know this is quite horrible to read :) but I also know you've been there
>>> before, I would certainly appreciate if you could check this mapping and
>>> tell me what you're thinking about it. I tried to log my thoughts explaining
>>> my choices, I hope you can follow them !
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Seb
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/7/12 funlw65 <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> Sebastien,
>>>> If you succeed in mapping this board, then an Arduino clone will be
>>>> far easier for you. I can assure you!
>>>>
>>>> Vasi()funlw65
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 12, 5:45 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hi guys,
>>>> >
>>>> > As a log, summary and some sort of specification requirements (say it
>>>> fast),
>>>> > here's a page I've written, hopefully describing what I have in mind.
>>>> >
>>>> >    http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/jaluino-cuckoo
>>>> >
>>>> > Feel free to comment...
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Seb
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/7/6 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > Hi guys,
>>>> >
>>>> > > 2010/7/5 m...@watty <[email protected]>
>>>> >
>>>> > >> 44 pin or 64pin 18F67J50 SMD with option for  USB mini or micro
>>>> >
>>>> > > connector on cuckoo board
>>>> >
>>>> > > Such a board would act as an extension of existing Arduino, but I
>>>> doubt it
>>>> > > can be done without SMD components, right ?
>>>> >
>>>> > >> 6 pin ICSP on cuckoo too
>>>> >
>>>> > > this seems mandatory, indeed, even if it takes room.
>>>> >
>>>> > >> option for on board crystal.
>>>> >
>>>> > > What about selecting onboard Xtal (16MHz for Arduino 2009) or
>>>> internal
>>>> > > clock ? I could add another Xtal on Cuckoo board but I have doubts
>>>> about
>>>> > > room...
>>>> >
>>>> > >> option for 5V to 3V regulator
>>>> >
>>>> > > Do you mean to power the PIC ?
>>>> >
>>>> > >> Can be used in Arduino or as standalone module.
>>>> >
>>>> > > That would be great, something like
>>>> > >http://www.solarbotics.com/products/kardw/.
>>>> >
>>>> > > About PIC selection, I've found 18f26k22 as an interesting
>>>> candidate:
>>>> > >   - 64KB memory
>>>> > >   - 2 * USART
>>>> > >   - I2C *and* SPI (2 * MSSP)
>>>> > >   - independant analog pins, easier to map pins
>>>> > >   - clock up to 64MHz, 16MIPS
>>>> > >   - 3 external interupts
>>>> > >   - 2 * PWM output
>>>> >
>>>> > > but not in production... Little brother 18f25k22 can be sampled, but
>>>> "only"
>>>> > > have 32KB memory. I'll try this one I guess. On the other side of
>>>> the nest,
>>>> > > Arduino provides:
>>>> > >   - 1 USART
>>>> > >   - 2 external interupts
>>>> > >   - SPI
>>>> > >   - I2C within ADC pins
>>>> > >   - 6 PWM channels (this can't be defeated...)
>>>> >
>>>> > > This can be cuckooed by 18f25k22 :)
>>>> >
>>>> > >http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en546240
>>>> >
>>>> > > Cheers (Groeten)
>>>> > > Seb
>>>> >
>>>> > >> On Jul 5, 4:29 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]>
>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>> > >> > Hi guys,
>>>> >
>>>> > >> > The Cuckoos are a bird family, known to be brood parasite. Mother
>>>> Cuckoo
>>>> > >> > lays its eggs on other bird's nest. Baby Cuckoo will be brooded
>>>> and when
>>>> > >> > hatched, will clear the nest from other eggs. It will be fed, for
>>>> free,
>>>> > >> > until it often reaches  ten times the size of its parents (which
>>>> seem
>>>> > >> dumb
>>>> > >> > enough not to mention the subterfuge).
>>>> >
>>>> > >> > This gave me an idea for another Jaluino family. Codename:
>>>> Jaluino
>>>> > >> Cuckoo !
>>>> >
>>>> > >> > The idea is to unplug ATMega168 from Arduino Duemilanove and plug
>>>> a
>>>> > >> > Microchip PIC instead. A small PCB would probably needed to map
>>>> pins. I
>>>> > >> had
>>>> > >> > a look potentials PICs, like 18F2680, 18F2620. 18F2550 isn't that
>>>> useful
>>>> > >> as
>>>> > >> > there's no USB on Arduino Duemilanove. It would need UART, I²C,
>>>> PWM, ADC
>>>> > >> > (preferably with independent pin), and should run as fast as
>>>> possible
>>>> > >> with a
>>>> > >> > 16MHz externak Xtal.
>>>> >
>>>> > >> > Does it sound doable ? Suggestions ? Warnings ?
>>>> >
>>>> > >> > Cheers,
>>>> > >> > Seb
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