You will provide only the PCB with FTDI on board and also libraries and documentation to start with JAL and this Arduino clone which must be better than Amicus18. It is the customer job to populate the board.
If you will ever change your mind or, if will be a request, then you will DO this board. Which board, will break or not the actual Cuckoo pin out compatibility. Maybe is good to be prepared for the future. It also will increase your personal experience. Vasi On Jul 16, 10:50 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> wrote: > 2010/7/16 funlw65 <[email protected]> > > > It is possible right now to solder directly the pic on Atmega's place, > > or you need to make another connections/traces to suit your map? > > You did a mapping to Cuckoo. Now, according with this map you did, try > > to solder also a PIC directly on Arduino board, without a Cuckoo > > board. And this will be an Arduino clone. Just try it and you will > > understand what I.m trying to say... and you can see I'm not good at > > this... > > OK, then I'd say it's not possible, because of power pins. See these > datasheets: > -http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc2545.pdf > -http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/41412B.pdf > > search for VCC, AVCC for ATmega and Vdd for PIC > > > > > You think is not possible to make an Arduino board because the > > difficulty imposed by FTDI chip but you can order it also at the PCB > > house (they can solder it on board for you for extra money) > > Would the overall board cost less than $22/$29 ? This is the price for an > Arduino board. My bet is it's sometime cheaper to hack existing toys instead > of building yours from scratch. > > Cheers > Seb > > > > > On Jul 16, 10:10 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > But how can redesign Arduino traces ?? > > > > 2010/7/16 funlw65 <[email protected]> > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I mean, try to put directly the Pic on Arduino board without the Atmel > > > > socket and this mean to redesign the Arduino board (traces). Try it > > > > and see how it goes. See if you can keep your actual map you did for > > > > Cuckoo. If you can, then is ok for both boards: Jaluino Cuckoo and the > > > > Jaluino (Arduino clone). > > > > > Vasi > > > > > On Jul 16, 9:45 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Vasi, > > > > > > I'm not sure to understand when you say "you will need to map the > > > > > pic directly on Arduino connectors". I first thought to just plug a > > PIC > > > > > instead of Atmega, but power pins just aren't compatible. I need at > > least > > > > to > > > > > remap them, this means a PCB. Since it means a PCB, I can (try to) > > > > continue > > > > > this mapping. Maybe we can design a PCB with 2 places for the PIC (or > > one > > > > > jumper to select mode): > > > > > > 1. one place where pins are mapped as closed as possible to > > Arduino's > > > > > 2. one place where pins are mapped a minimal, in this case Arduino's > > pin > > > > > names become irrelevant. > > > > > > Is that what you're suggesting ? For case 2., there can be > > "surprises", > > > > as > > > > > some pins are connected to resistors, etc... in Arduino schematic. > > > > > > Or do you actually mean to design another PCB as small as possible > > > > (minimum > > > > > mapping) ? (sort of Mini Cuckoo ?). If so, the problem is you > > probably > > > > (I'm > > > > > almost sure) won't be able to plug a PIC onto a PCB, then a PCB onto > > > > Arduino > > > > > connectors, then shield on top of this. You sure must use a PCB where > > PIC > > > > is > > > > > on the side (see pictures from first post). > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > 2010/7/16 funlw65 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Hi Sebastien, > > > > > > > At first sight it looks ok. Now, before taking any decision, think > > at > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > Not everyone have an Arduino but, anyone knows how strong support > > will > > > > > > have from you (libraries and documentation). So, maybe others will > > > > > > request an Arduino like board, so you will need to map the pic > > > > > > directly on Arduino connectors. > > > > > > See how easy is this with actual mapping you did. See if you can > > > > > > design the traces without increasing too much the PCB or how many > > > > > > bridges you are forced to do (I can assure you, it is about a > > double > > > > > > sided board). So it may be needed to remap the whole thing. Don't > > > > > > forget that on second MSSP, you can remap the pins for SPI (you can > > > > > > have SPI2 on any mappable pin) and maybe this can help you... > > > > > > These are my advices. But depends entirely on you. > > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > Vasi(funlw65) > > > > > > > On Jul 16, 6:35 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi guys, Vasi, > > > > > > > > Indeed pin mapping wasn't easy. Despite the great number of > > feature > > > > > > coming > > > > > > > with 18f25K22, I had to make compromise and add limitations... > > See: > > >http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino > > > > > > > > < > > >http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino > > > > > > >Vasi, > > > > > > > I know this is quite horrible to read :) but I also know you've > > been > > > > > > there > > > > > > > before, I would certainly appreciate if you could check this > > mapping > > > > and > > > > > > > tell me what you're thinking about it. I tried to log my thoughts > > > > > > explaining > > > > > > > my choices, I hope you can follow them ! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > 2010/7/12 funlw65 <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Sebastien, > > > > > > > > If you succeed in mapping this board, then an Arduino clone > > will be > > > > > > > > far easier for you. I can assure you! > > > > > > > > > Vasi()funlw65 > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:45 pm, Sebastien Lelong < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > As a log, summary and some sort of specification requirements > > > > (say it > > > > > > > > fast), > > > > > > > > > here's a page I've written, hopefully describing what I have > > in > > > > mind. > > > > > > >http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/jaluino-cuckoo > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to comment... > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > > > 2010/7/6 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/7/5 m...@watty <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > >> 44 pin or 64pin 18F67J50 SMD with option for USB mini or > > > > micro > > > > > > > > > > > connector on cuckoo board > > > > > > > > > > > Such a board would act as an extension of existing Arduino, > > but > > > > I > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can be done without SMD components, right ? > > > > > > > > > > >> 6 pin ICSP on cuckoo too > > > > > > > > > > > this seems mandatory, indeed, even if it takes room. > > > > > > > > > > >> option for on board crystal. > > > > > > > > > > > What about selecting onboard Xtal (16MHz for Arduino 2009) > > or > > > > > > internal > > > > > > > > > > clock ? I could add another Xtal on Cuckoo board but I have > > > > doubts > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > room... > > > > > > > > > > >> option for 5V to 3V regulator > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean to power the PIC ? > > > > > > > > > > >> Can be used in Arduino or as standalone module. > > > > > > > > > > > That would be great, something like > > > > > > > > > >http://www.solarbotics.com/products/kardw/. > > > > > > > > > > > About PIC selection, I've found 18f26k22 as an interesting > > > > > > candidate: > > > > > > > > > > - 64KB memory > > > > > > > > > > - 2 * USART > > > > > > > > > > - I2C *and* SPI (2 * MSSP) > > > > > > > > > > - independant analog pins, easier to map pins > > > > > > > > > > - clock up to 64MHz, 16MIPS > > > > > > > > > > - 3 external interupts > > > > > > > > > > - 2 * PWM output > > > > > > > > > > > but not in production... Little brother 18f25k22 can be > > > > sampled, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > "only" > > > > > > > > > > have 32KB memory. I'll try this one I guess. On the other > > side > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nest, > > > > > > > > > > Arduino provides: > > > > > > > > > > - 1 USART > > > > > > > > > > - 2 external interupts > > > > > > > > > > - SPI > > > > > > > > > > - I2C within ADC pins > > > > > > > > > > - 6 PWM channels (this can't be defeated...) > > > > > > > > > > > This can be cuckooed by 18f25k22 :) > > > > >http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en546240 > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers (Groeten) > > > > > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > > > >> On Jul 5, 4:29 pm, Sebastien Lelong < > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > >> > The Cuckoos are a bird family, known to be brood > > parasite. > > > > > > Mother > > > > > > > > Cuckoo > > > > > > > > > >> > lays its eggs on other bird's nest. Baby Cuckoo will be > > > > brooded > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > >> > hatched, will clear the nest from other eggs. It will be > > > > fed, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > free, > > > > > > > > > >> > until it often reaches ten times the size of its > > parents > > > > (which > > > > > > > > seem > > > > > > > > > >> dumb > > > > > > > > > >> > enough not to mention the subterfuge). > > > > > > > > > > >> > This gave me an idea for another Jaluino family. > > Codename: > > > > > > Jaluino > > > > > > > > > >> Cuckoo ! > > > > > > > > > > >> > The idea is to unplug ATMega168 from Arduino Duemilanove > > and > > > > > > plug a > > > > > > > > > >> > Microchip PIC instead. A small PCB would probably needed > > to > > > > map > > > > > > > > pins. I > > > > > > > > > >> had > > > > > > > > > >> > a look potentials PICs, like 18F2680, 18F2620. 18F2550 > > isn't > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > useful > > > > > > > > > >> as > > > > > > > > > >> > there's no USB on Arduino Duemilanove. It would need > > UART, > > > > I²C, > > > > > > PWM, > > > > > > > > ADC > > > > > > > > > >> > (preferably with independent pin), and should run as > > fast as > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > >> with a > > > > > > > > > >> > 16MHz externak Xtal. > > > > > > > > > > >> > Does it sound doable ? Suggestions ? 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