On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sebastien Lelong < [email protected]> wrote:
> > 2010/7/24 vasile surducan <[email protected]> > > >> >> <http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0iJadzFlwNo/S_OgtycPtxI/AAAAAAAAAAc/vNesIW3Nvn0/s1600/fig2.jpg>Switching >> the clock through a switch is a very bad idea. Very long routes of clock >> (incuding connectors in their path) is also a bad idea. >> > > Yes, I guess, maybe the best option remains to use internal clock, > bypassing Arduino's 16MHz Xtal. > > >> >> Unless you don't expect to sell this board, I still suggest to forget >> about it and re-design your favorite arduino with a PIC on one board, see >> Vasi's board, take his design and modify it to met your requirements, will >> be much easy, less expensive and more professional. >> > > I have an Arduino but never use it, so my requirements are "make something > useful with this useless Arduino board". In this context, using Vasi's board > won't help. > Ok then, your plug-in board should connect with arduino on the bottom of the arduino board, else the shields which are connected on the top will not fit anymore only with long connectors. > > >> If you want to start a merchantable new arduino, imagine the puzzle game >> (on a surface and not a startrek spatial puzzle) and imagine a complete >> jalluino-picolino (including "shields" ) in that way. Picolino = very small >> > > I'm sure to understand, what do you mean ? Is it related to flexible PCB > you're later talking about ? > No, like a puzzle game you can design an arduino+shields in such way that any shield have access to testpoints, connectors etc. > > > Cheers, > Seb > > > >> >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Sebastien Lelong < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> >>> One step further... I've created a first schematic for Jaluino Cuckoo, >>> attached as PNG file: >>> >>> - I've copied ISCP part from Jaluino Medium ( >>> http://justanotherlanguage.org/sites/default/files/jaluino_medium_v13a_schematic.png >>> ). >>> - Xtal option: with 2 jumpers, user can decide to use Arduino Xtal >>> (16MHz), Cuckoo's onboard Xtal (20MHz), or no Xtal at all for internal >>> clock, low power usage (without being able to use pins though). Note with >>> 18f25K22, using Arduino's Xtal gives the highest performance with x4 PLL >>> (not possible with 20MHz) >>> - I added two I²C resistor, as an option. I wasn't able to find them on >>> Arduino schematic to map them ( >>> http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-duemilanove-schematic.pdf). I >>> think it can be convenient to select I²C master/slave this way. >>> - There's a RESET push button on Cuckoo's board, in addition to the one >>> found on Arduino. This could be interesting when using Cuckoo as a >>> standalone board, as Mike suggested, but this would need to act on two >>> buttons to reset it when plugged on Arduino... Maybe I'll add a jumper to >>> select which Reset to use. I *think* (means I'm not sure) Arduino's Reset >>> schematic should work with Cuckoo. >>> >>> Before I start to pull my hair with the PCB, do you any comments, >>> suggestions, ... ? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Seb >>> >>> 2010/7/16 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> >>> >>> Hi guys, Vasi, >>>> >>>> Indeed pin mapping wasn't easy. Despite the great number of feature >>>> coming with 18f25K22, I had to make compromise and add limitations... See: >>>> http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/cuckoo-meets-arduino>Vasi, >>>> I know this is quite horrible to read :) but I also know you've been there >>>> before, I would certainly appreciate if you could check this mapping and >>>> tell me what you're thinking about it. I tried to log my thoughts >>>> explaining >>>> my choices, I hope you can follow them ! >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Seb >>>> >>>> >>>> 2010/7/12 funlw65 <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Sebastien, >>>>> If you succeed in mapping this board, then an Arduino clone will be >>>>> far easier for you. I can assure you! >>>>> >>>>> Vasi()funlw65 >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 12, 5:45 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Hi guys, >>>>> > >>>>> > As a log, summary and some sort of specification requirements (say it >>>>> fast), >>>>> > here's a page I've written, hopefully describing what I have in mind. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://justanotherlanguage.org/content/jaluino/blog/jaluino-cuckoo >>>>> > >>>>> > Feel free to comment... >>>>> > >>>>> > Cheers, >>>>> > Seb >>>>> > >>>>> > 2010/7/6 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > Hi guys, >>>>> > >>>>> > > 2010/7/5 m...@watty <[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> 44 pin or 64pin 18F67J50 SMD with option for USB mini or micro >>>>> > >>>>> > > connector on cuckoo board >>>>> > >>>>> > > Such a board would act as an extension of existing Arduino, but I >>>>> doubt it >>>>> > > can be done without SMD components, right ? >>>>> > >>>>> > >> 6 pin ICSP on cuckoo too >>>>> > >>>>> > > this seems mandatory, indeed, even if it takes room. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> option for on board crystal. >>>>> > >>>>> > > What about selecting onboard Xtal (16MHz for Arduino 2009) or >>>>> internal >>>>> > > clock ? I could add another Xtal on Cuckoo board but I have doubts >>>>> about >>>>> > > room... >>>>> > >>>>> > >> option for 5V to 3V regulator >>>>> > >>>>> > > Do you mean to power the PIC ? >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Can be used in Arduino or as standalone module. >>>>> > >>>>> > > That would be great, something like >>>>> > >http://www.solarbotics.com/products/kardw/. >>>>> > >>>>> > > About PIC selection, I've found 18f26k22 as an interesting >>>>> candidate: >>>>> > > - 64KB memory >>>>> > > - 2 * USART >>>>> > > - I2C *and* SPI (2 * MSSP) >>>>> > > - independant analog pins, easier to map pins >>>>> > > - clock up to 64MHz, 16MIPS >>>>> > > - 3 external interupts >>>>> > > - 2 * PWM output >>>>> > >>>>> > > but not in production... Little brother 18f25k22 can be sampled, >>>>> but "only" >>>>> > > have 32KB memory. I'll try this one I guess. On the other side of >>>>> the nest, >>>>> > > Arduino provides: >>>>> > > - 1 USART >>>>> > > - 2 external interupts >>>>> > > - SPI >>>>> > > - I2C within ADC pins >>>>> > > - 6 PWM channels (this can't be defeated...) >>>>> > >>>>> > > This can be cuckooed by 18f25k22 :) >>>>> > >>>>> > >http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en546240 >>>>> > >>>>> > > Cheers (Groeten) >>>>> > > Seb >>>>> > >>>>> > >> On Jul 5, 4:29 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>> > >> > Hi guys, >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > The Cuckoos are a bird family, known to be brood parasite. >>>>> Mother Cuckoo >>>>> > >> > lays its eggs on other bird's nest. Baby Cuckoo will be brooded >>>>> and when >>>>> > >> > hatched, will clear the nest from other eggs. It will be fed, >>>>> for free, >>>>> > >> > until it often reaches ten times the size of its parents (which >>>>> seem >>>>> > >> dumb >>>>> > >> > enough not to mention the subterfuge). >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > This gave me an idea for another Jaluino family. Codename: >>>>> Jaluino >>>>> > >> Cuckoo ! >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > The idea is to unplug ATMega168 from Arduino Duemilanove and >>>>> plug a >>>>> > >> > Microchip PIC instead. A small PCB would probably needed to map >>>>> pins. I >>>>> > >> had >>>>> > >> > a look potentials PICs, like 18F2680, 18F2620. 18F2550 isn't >>>>> that useful >>>>> > >> as >>>>> > >> > there's no USB on Arduino Duemilanove. It would need UART, I²C, >>>>> PWM, ADC >>>>> > >> > (preferably with independent pin), and should run as fast as >>>>> possible >>>>> > >> with a >>>>> > >> > 16MHz externak Xtal. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Does it sound doable ? Suggestions ? Warnings ? >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Cheers, >>>>> > >> > Seb >>>>> > >> > -- >>>>> > >> > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org >>>>> > >>>>> > >> -- >>>>> > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> > >> "jallib" group. >>>>> > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > >> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>> <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>> > >>>>> > >> . >>>>> > >> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > Sébastien Lelong >>>>> > >http://www.sirloon.net >>>>> > >http://sirbot.org >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "jallib" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sébastien Lelong >>>> http://www.sirloon.net >>>> http://sirbot.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sébastien Lelong >>> http://www.sirloon.net >>> http://sirbot.org >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "jallib" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "jallib" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Sébastien Lelong > http://www.sirloon.net > http://sirbot.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "jallib" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. 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