Michael McCandless (JIRA) wrote:
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Michael McCandless commented on LUCENE-1678:
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bq. The way Lucene stuff generally goes, if someone like Grant or Mike really wanted to push changes, the changes would happen.
Well, it's consensus that we all need to reach (at least enough
consensus to vote on it), and on complex topics it's not easy to get
to consensus.
Right. I didn't mean you guys could ram it down everyones throats - I
basically meant, if you wanted to build the censuses, and you thought
the idea was good - you could do it easier than many of the new guys
might think. I've seen it happen before.
bq. Giving up is really not the answer though - thats why the discussion has
come and gone in the past.
I don't think anyone has given up. The issue still smoulders and
flares up here and there (like, this issue). Eventually we'll get
enough consensus for something concrete to change.
I think some of the newer people in the community do sink into a give up
mentality (based on the comments I've seen). I think the issue is, and
the reason I even responded to this to begin with, people jump to
conclusions about whats going on here. They think the committers are
stubborn and/or stuck in our old ways. That we are too in love with our
back compat policy ;) Its common for some of us to point out things that
slow issues down, and we don't always contribute much towards pushing
some issues forward. Some of the newer guys in the community have gotten
the wrong idea about that. Things tend to happen slowly, but with
persistence they do happen. Lucene is kind of a conservative project,
but I don't like the idea that some of the newer guys see things as
locked up. I've been around long enough to know they are not. Everything
is up for debate, and things have been moving steadily towards progress
in Lucene land. Again, its like a constitution though - if it was easy
to whip around the rules, we would have a lot of problems. When I make
comments for or against something, I try and think about whats best for
the community. I think others likely do the same thing.
Anyway, when I see those comments, I think - there is no need to lash
out with little jives. Persistence will move things forward. It is about
censuses building, and that takes time and effort. More for some than
others. The funny thing is, from what I've seen, when push comes to
shove, its easier to get consensus around here than some of the email
discussions might suggest. It just takes effort and persistence.
bq. I have no moral right to hammer my ideals into heads that did tremendously
more for the project, than I did.
In fact you do & should. This is exactly how change happens. Here's
a great (though sexist) quote:
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists to
adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
- George Bernard Sha
Right. Even though I think some of the newer guys have an odd (minor)
disrespect for what came before them (when Lucene was younger, most of
these issues didn't yet exist! And the project has been very
successful/stable thus far), I am extremely happy that there are a bunch
of new people shaking things up. I'd rather they didnt go away (thinking
we Lucene is locked up in insanity) or stop talking about improving back
compat :)
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- Mark
http://www.lucidimagination.com
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