Lasorsa, Vince writes:
> I agree with John on this one! USe the right tool for the job... You and
> your users will appreciate a craftsman who understands his/her toolbox!
Wise words...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Goerzen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:09 AM
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> Subject: Re: JavaLinux for servlets
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>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 01:17:43AM -0800, Steve Byrne wrote:
>
> > > But what techincal advantage do they really give? Java is slower, uses
> more
> > > system resources, etc.
> >
> > John, if you don't like Java, can you please tell us why you feel it's
> > necessary to clog this mailing list with your anti-Java sentiments? I
> don't
> > think it's being constructive.
>
> I am really getting annoyed with people picking out bits and pieces of what
> I wrote. You, and others, are taking it out of context.
[switching gears to respond to John]
I'm sorry, but all I saw from your sudden burst of postings was anti-Java.
> I have explained the areas in which I feel Java has an advantage over other
> languages -- for example, development of large-scale client GUIs. I have
> also explained the areas in which I feel Java has some catching up to do,
> for example, tasks involving parsing.
>
> If you feel that any particular language, including Java, is the best choice
> for every possible task, then you need to take a larger view of reality.
> The fact is that Java is not the best in all areas. Likewise, Perl is not
> the best in all areas. Neither is C. For that matter, neither is Linux or
> Windows.
Well -- I resist the bait.
> You use the tool that's right for the job. I use Java for some things, Perl
> for some things, C for some, C++, shell scripting, etc. All of them have
> their unique advantages and disadvantages.
True.
> Constructive criticism is a well-known useful device. If I point out to the
> Perl people that the lack of strong typing can make large projects
> difficult, and thus make Java a better tool for the job, perhaps the Perl
> people will consider adding typing to the language (and indeed, they are
> doing so). Likewise, if I point out to Java people that Java's parsing
> capabilities are weak compared to Perl, perhaps they will add something to
> help with that. In the end, everone wins, because all the languages
> improve.
>
> I fail to see what's wrong with talking about Java's unique benefits and
> problems in a Java list.
Ok. Let me be REAL clear to you. Your thinking here is confused. You
believe java-linux to be "*a* Java list"; i.e. you see is as equivalent to
comp.lang.java. It is not. It is for discussing issues related to Java on
Linux. If you want to engage in debates about larger issues which are really
Linux independent, then this is NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU. I don't think that I've
seen anything that you have written criticizing Java is specifically Linux Java
related, and thus it constitutes a poor and inappropriate use of bandwidth to
announce your generic opinions on java-linux.
The comp.lang.java* news groups are a much better place to talk about the
generic benefits and problems with the Java platform than java-linux. Please
use them for expressing your generic Java views, ok? Thanks.
Steve
