My original posting (entitled Java-linux enthusiasts) was about
categorizing
Java developers as belonging to one or more groups of users of
particular
platforms. I mentioned servlets in passing. I had no intention of
starting
a debate on servlets.
Now, why don't we stop bickering about whether Perl is superior to Java
(or vice versa) and get back to the original theme - what category do
you
belong to ? ;-)
Raju Karia
John Goerzen wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 07:23:04PM -0800, Steve Byrne wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry, but all I saw from your sudden burst of postings was anti-Java.
>
> Perhaps you would realize that I did not start this thread?
>
> I was replying to a message that stated:
>
> > 4. Linux evangelists : Linux is the future. Java is a fad that will
> > probably be overtaken by something else eventually. Think that Java
> > does not have the best licensing model (it's not GPL). Java is slow
> > because Perl kicks ass in CGI (have never heard of servlets). Can't
> > understand why we don't just have a Java to native compiler,
>
> I do not understand why you are criticizing me for replying to that. If
> that post was on-topic, which it seems to be, how can a topical reply not
> be?
>
> Note that in my reply, I mentioned:
>
> A valid categorization, I believe. I clearly belong best to #4, but a
> difference is that I believe that Linux will be overtaken by something else.
> Hurd, for instance, when it gets more stable (but we're looking at years
> here).
>
> Clearly Linux-related. Again, people ignore that part of my message.
>
> I then go on to talk about Java, how it relates to Unix (and Linux), and
> then CGI. This was in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
>
> > > I fail to see what's wrong with talking about Java's unique benefits and
> > > problems in a Java list.
> >
> > Ok. Let me be REAL clear to you. Your thinking here is confused. You
> > believe java-linux to be "*a* Java list"; i.e. you see is as equivalent to
> > comp.lang.java. It is not. It is for discussing issues related to Java on
>
> I never said that.
>
> > Linux. If you want to engage in debates about larger issues which are really
> > Linux independent, then this is NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU. I don't think that I've
> > seen anything that you have written criticizing Java is specifically Linux Java
> > related, and thus it constitutes a poor and inappropriate use of bandwidth to
> > announce your generic opinions on java-linux.
>
> I was not announcing my generic opinions about Java. I was replying to
> others.
>
> And if you think that Apache, CGI, web servers, and the like are not
> Linux-related, well, please take a look at your neighborhood Linux
> distribution and realize that they are.
>
> Note that we would not be talking about Apache or Perl for CGI if this was a
> Windows platform, or even many Unices.
>
> > The comp.lang.java* news groups are a much better place to talk about the
> > generic benefits and problems with the Java platform than java-linux. Please
> > use them for expressing your generic Java views, ok? Thanks.
>
> I'm quite willing, and would be glad, to see this thread die. But the
> rather brutal attack that I have suffered for merely pointing out that Java
> is not always the best is not really justified. I did not start the thread.
> I was agreeing with one particular option set forth by another person. It
> started out Linux-related. My reply was Linux-related. When people started
> replying to me, they chopped out parts of my messages. They did not reply
> to the whole message. Several people in here even were thinking that I was
> completely against Java, even after I recommended it for some types of
> projects! (People never quoted that.) I use Java. I also use other
> languages. What am I supposed to do here, refuse to answer because of
> underhanded quoting techniques?
>
> This whole thread has illustrated something: there is a lot of delusion of
> grandeur here. People must realize that no language is the best for
> everything. As a Linux developer, I have a very high opinion of Linux, but
> I do recognize that it has its weaknesses that could make it unsuitable for
> some people. As someone that programs in Perl, I have a similar opinion.
> Likewise for Java, (despite its poor licensing; the core is good.)
>
> John
