On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 07:23:04PM -0800, Steve Byrne wrote:
> I'm sorry, but all I saw from your sudden burst of postings was anti-Java.
Perhaps you would realize that I did not start this thread?
I was replying to a message that stated:
> 4. Linux evangelists : Linux is the future. Java is a fad that will
> probably be overtaken by something else eventually. Think that Java
> does not have the best licensing model (it's not GPL). Java is slow
> because Perl kicks ass in CGI (have never heard of servlets). Can't
> understand why we don't just have a Java to native compiler,
I do not understand why you are criticizing me for replying to that. If
that post was on-topic, which it seems to be, how can a topical reply not
be?
Note that in my reply, I mentioned:
A valid categorization, I believe. I clearly belong best to #4, but a
difference is that I believe that Linux will be overtaken by something else.
Hurd, for instance, when it gets more stable (but we're looking at years
here).
Clearly Linux-related. Again, people ignore that part of my message.
I then go on to talk about Java, how it relates to Unix (and Linux), and
then CGI. This was in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
> > I fail to see what's wrong with talking about Java's unique benefits and
> > problems in a Java list.
>
> Ok. Let me be REAL clear to you. Your thinking here is confused. You
> believe java-linux to be "*a* Java list"; i.e. you see is as equivalent to
> comp.lang.java. It is not. It is for discussing issues related to Java on
I never said that.
> Linux. If you want to engage in debates about larger issues which are really
> Linux independent, then this is NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU. I don't think that I've
> seen anything that you have written criticizing Java is specifically Linux Java
> related, and thus it constitutes a poor and inappropriate use of bandwidth to
> announce your generic opinions on java-linux.
I was not announcing my generic opinions about Java. I was replying to
others.
And if you think that Apache, CGI, web servers, and the like are not
Linux-related, well, please take a look at your neighborhood Linux
distribution and realize that they are.
Note that we would not be talking about Apache or Perl for CGI if this was a
Windows platform, or even many Unices.
> The comp.lang.java* news groups are a much better place to talk about the
> generic benefits and problems with the Java platform than java-linux. Please
> use them for expressing your generic Java views, ok? Thanks.
I'm quite willing, and would be glad, to see this thread die. But the
rather brutal attack that I have suffered for merely pointing out that Java
is not always the best is not really justified. I did not start the thread.
I was agreeing with one particular option set forth by another person. It
started out Linux-related. My reply was Linux-related. When people started
replying to me, they chopped out parts of my messages. They did not reply
to the whole message. Several people in here even were thinking that I was
completely against Java, even after I recommended it for some types of
projects! (People never quoted that.) I use Java. I also use other
languages. What am I supposed to do here, refuse to answer because of
underhanded quoting techniques?
This whole thread has illustrated something: there is a lot of delusion of
grandeur here. People must realize that no language is the best for
everything. As a Linux developer, I have a very high opinion of Linux, but
I do recognize that it has its weaknesses that could make it unsuitable for
some people. As someone that programs in Perl, I have a similar opinion.
Likewise for Java, (despite its poor licensing; the core is good.)
John
