I was discussing exactly this with the creators of AnyJ the other day. I was curious
as to
how much porting it takes to port such a large project from Win32 to Solaris and Linux,
and the mentioned that Linux is the hardest simeply because of all the hodge-podge
involved and how every WM handles its windows different and colors etc. etc. It really
seems Linux is a mixed blessing. On a smaller scale with one guy doing A and one guy
doing
B and one guy doing C its great! But more and more and more people are hopping on this
bandwagon and now we've got 3 guys doing A all differently and 6 guys doing B, which
really creates a headache for people writing programs than need to run under those 6
different version of "B" ALL the same... what a headache!
To bad there wasn't more outline standards before Linux exploded. But then again I
think
it might be too much of a Microsofty feel if their had been. But I think on a low leve
there could be some conformaty. Maybe how windowmanagers control window placement,
stuff
like that to make it easier for projects to be created for universal use.
I think the fragmentation is also becomming an issue. It was a surprise to me to hear
that
Caldera's graphical installer had been closed all this time and only recently was
going to
be opened to the public. And that RedHat was packaging some not-so-opensource software
in
their distribution. I think the history of Unix, slightly altered, is starting to
happen
all over again.
It SEEMS like its only a matter of time before company X finds an incredibly way to
optimize the kernel, and includes it in the distribution as a selling point and keeps
it
closed, for a few months even just to have that edge. Then it just gets worse from
there.
Then we all go back to DOS and Desqview and forget about networking all together. This
internet phenomenon was just a fad anyway <grin>
-Riyad
Michael Emmel wrote:
> Mike Christiansen wrote:
>
> > Riyad Kalla wrote:
> >
> > > These are good points.. and I think the reason Sun doesn't support Linux so
>readily
> > > is simply because it would be shooting its self right in the Solaris-Foot. If it
> > > provides a high performance, solaris quality Java implementation... they may
>loose
> > > a bit of business. I don't know details of course about this, but that seemed the
> > > most readily availble answer.
> > >
> >
> > I don't think that Linux competes with Solaris in the server market. (at least not
>in
> > the short-term). I think that Linux will hurt NT far-far more. If anything, a Linux
> > application server that outgrows its platform is likely to migrate to the "big
>iron"
> > unixes, and with the Java connection, Solaris would be a natural progression.
> >
> > >
> > > Anyone else have input on this?
> > >
> >
> >
>
> Well Sun is the Company that cam up with the SCL so ...
> >From the perspective of the SCL Sun is bending over backwards to support the
>Blackdown
> port.
> It's us poor miserble Open Source guys who won't support and SCL product.
> I don't know. It seems the Linux Wave is going righ over Suns head.
> I always thought the java/linux connection was a no brainer.
>
> Maybe this is the downside to a company controlling a "vital" technology.
> If the requirements of a failry large group of users is not considered important.
> Tough.
>
> I suspect a very large percentage of Java developers use Linux workstations for
> development.
> But theres been no survey to my knowledge.
>
> There is no way to know Suns answers to these questions. I don't think there that
> Redmonian
> it's just Sun doesnt get Linux or Open Source from what I can tell.
> And with Baratz leaving it may be a long long time before Sun tackles any Java/Linux
> issues.
>
> Bummer.
>
> Personally long term I'm waiting for the Classpath group to get there stuff working.
> If I was to contribute to a project it would be classpath but I feel "tainted" by the
> SCL.
> I want that project as clean room as possible.
> Since I plan on switching to Classpath once its ready I'll simply stay out of porting
> for now.
>
> The bummer is it's starting to look like at least a year before something happens
>good
> for Java/Linux
> unless IBM keeps coming through for us. I think IBM is the best hope for Java/Linux
> today.
> Even though I love programming Java the current Java/Linux situation is probably
>the
> biggest
> failure of the promise of Java today.
> Having to suggest NT for java deployment really hurts somehow deep inside : (
>
> BTW
>
> Gnome really mucks up Frame positions for java. setBounds fails to move a frame.
> At least for me.
>
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