it's a very tough option to sell at this point.
the reasons are numerous;
a big one being the chicken/egg problem.
if i can prove java in general is a direction
we should take and make some incremental success, then
maybe i could find someone to put together some financial support.
but for now i am the only person trying this stuff out, the only
person who really wants to put time into this.
apparently, other attempts w/ commercial implementations in the past have
not done as well; so i have alot going against me.
At 11:59 AM 1/8/00 -0800, Nathan Meyers wrote:
>"Michael E. Moores" wrote:
>>
>> no it's all real.com; you are right. there are ALOT of people here
>> and i don't keep track of all the internal organizations and technology,
>> politics, etc.
>> i am taking a sensible evaluation approach based on
>> prototyping, load testing, support, extensibility, popularity,
>> soft/hard parts cost. the last factor is probably the least
>> important based on the total cost of development.
>
>I think the question that's being asked (but not entirely understood) in
>this exchange is: Why is a large, successful corporation trying to use
>this no-charge software, which is being cranked out by an undermanned,
>underfunded organization, without offering to help in some substantial
>way - either with engineering or funding?
>
>If you were to take up the challenge - find some sort of Real.com help
>for the Blackdown project - it would probably turn out to be the most
>expensive and difficult option. But it would alow you to answer the
>question: when (and how) will Blackdown deliver the performance you
>need? And we'd all end up with a better JDK.
>
>The topic of relationships between corporations and volunteer
>development organizations is a tricky one, and it's clear that neither
>side entirely gets how the other side works. One thing to understand in
>dealing with an organization like Blackdown is that it can't deliver to
>your specs without your help: you'll get something out only if you put
>something in.
>
>Nathan
>
>>
>> i have to ask questions though; that is the support part,
>> the part i like so much better over dealing with IBM, Oracle or m$oft.
>> the web stuff has little to do with being free
>> as long as there is a commitment
>> to things like oracle/sun which drown the cost of something like jtower.
>>
>> my next task is to iron out linux glibc and thread issues cause
>> the jvm hammers it more than anything else i have done.
>> so i have several avenues/fallbacks. blackdown may do fine
>> if i can understand the library/threading intricacies.
>> i have to prove that i can simply do some file copies,
>> environment changes, and know i have a box that is
>> identical to the next. i also cannot depend on it being
>> a certain linux dist. (certain glibc)
>> so i have to make the glibc part of the install.
>> this is what has been so vexing.
>>
>> At 01:25 AM 1/8/00 -0600, Chris Abbey wrote:
>> >At 07:19 1/6/00 -0800, "Michael E. Moores" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>you are TOTALLY incorrect in your assumptions
>> >>about where i am using roxen.
>> >
>> >then I whole heartedly appologize for my confusion.
>> >
>> >>i don't even have any idea what hell you are toaking about.
>> >
>> >ahem. your address is "moores at REAL DOT COM". your x-sender
>> >field is "moores at prognet dot com" which is of course the
>> >parent company of real.
>> >
>>
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