have a look at com.sun.j3d.utils.applet.MainFrame if you have the Java3D API/sources installed. concerning the ie5, i actually myself never got the cosmo player to work with it, nor can i run the java plugin correctly. =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".