At 12:26 PM 4/10/00 -0700, Philip Taylor wrote:
>excuse me, but yes I will feel free to disagree with your opinion here.
>
[First 3 off-topic items deleted]
>
>Fourth, over time I have made helpful posts here where my expertise could be
>valuable. I have even made an open offer to Sun to help with any D3D issues
>for J3D. Search the archives. Its not clear to me that just because of my
>email addr or job title that if I provide valuable information it should be
>dis-believed a priori.
I never once stated that you should be disbelieved. I was merely stating my opinion on
the vagueness and non-specificity of the FAQ with regards to OpenGL and its future as
a working part of Fahrenheit. I do make a comparison of it to a marketing fluff piece
and if you're offended by that I apologize. But that doesn't change the fact that it
appears to be worded to leave out any mention of OpenGL as a *long-term* component of
Fahrenheit.
>
>Fifth, Fahrenheit isnt going to replace OGL. Fahrenheit Scene Graph was
>meant to replace Performer. Part of the original plan was FSG would be
>hosted on top of both OGL and D3D, much like J3D. True the Fahrenheit plan
>has changed, but paranoia about us "slipping OGL out" on W2K is just that -
>paranoia. Just cool down people. There is no issue here.
I never said that Fahrenheit would replace OpenGL nor was it implied. What I said was
that MS could use Fahrenheit as a tool to try to marginalize OpenGL in the 3D market.
I also never said that MS would try to remove OpenGL support from *W2K*. What I did
say, although I could have phrased it less provocatively, was that it would be
possible for MS to remove OpenGL from Fahrenheit once Fahrenheit was in wide usage.
>
>And as we are getting horribly off-topic, I apologize for that and for
>taking up bandwidth. I did feel this ad hominem needed a reply though.'
I disagree, although any specific Fahrenheit issues should be left for elsewhere. This
is a Java3D list and issues concerning the underlying graphics layers should be a
valid point of discussion here. Sun should be very concerned about what happens to
OpenGL when it comes to Java3D, unless they plan to get D3D for Unix. (Considering the
current legal problems between Sun and MS over Java itself and given McNealy's
well-known dislike of MS, I would have a hard time believing that could happen.) The
question Sun has to ask itself is what will it do for an open standard low-level
graphics lib if OpenGL is taken out of the running in the 3D market?
As for my previous post being ad hominem, that was not my intent. I was merely trying
to point out that you have a vested interest in D3D and *not* OpenGL. Again, this may
have been stated too provocatively, but you'll forgive me if I don't believe that MS
has the best interests of OpenGL users in mind as part of its long-term 3D strategy.
--
Brett Grimes
This is my *opinion*. Feel free to disagree with it.
>
>...now back to your originally scheduled programming...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brett Grimes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 11:19 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] MS dumps OpenGL?
>
>
>What this article says to me is that MS will support OpenGL as long as it
>takes them to marginalize it with Fahrenheit. Once they get people using
>that, they could try to slip OpenGL out from under it and hope that no one
>would be the wiser. This article looks like classic marketing-speak too;
>lots of probably's, maybe's and sometimes's. Also notice that nowhere does
>it state that OpenGL will remain part of Fahrenheit.
>And how can you take any pronouncements on MS support for OpenGL from an MS
>employee who's job title includes "DirectX Evangelism" without a huge grain
>of salt? (Can you say "confict of interest"? I knew you could.)
>
>--
>Brett Grimes
>This is my *opinion*. Feel free to disagree with it.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Discussion list for Java 3D API
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Philip Taylor
>>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:11 PM
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] MS dumps OpenGL?
>>
>>
>>I will speak up here, since that "article" purportedly quotes my email; I
>>wont call it journalism.
>>
>>MS replied in a very public way about this last December, see our official
>>response at http://www.opengl.org/News/Archives99/Dec99.html under the
>>headline "The Final Word from Microsoft: OpenGL will be supported in Window
>>2000". Note the OpenGL crew were kind enough to publish my apology over any
>>worry this "article" caused as a lead-in to this FAQ which makes our
>support
>>of OGL on Windows 2000 clear.
>>
>>Sorry for any alarm this caused on this list at this late date, but this is
>>a non-issue.
>>
>>
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