Hello guys,
one thing I definitely believe is that if someone is trying to find an IDE
for java they should NOT use j++ unless they have a good reason. I think
that it is obvious that there cannot be much gain in using a "dead" IDE.
the main reason why I use j++ is because:
1) I often work on java/j3d projects that use JNI as well (I use VC++ as my
c++ IDE). I have been developing a game engine that is partially native.
when I work on the engine, I have at least 2 c++ projects open. one for the
native side of the engine and another a testBehavior project that i use to
test the engine. At the same time, I have at least two Java project open
(the java side of the engine and a testBehavior project). When I use Visual
Cafe as my IDE, I notice much more performance issues than when I use j++
(most likely because the core libraries for Visual studio components such as
vc++ and vj++ are shared). Even though this is not an issue on my HP-XClass
work workstation(1GB ram, daul processor), it become noticeable on a laptop.
2) I like the Visual Studio interface
3) I have not had much luck with using Debuggers on newly released VMs.
Visual cafe 4.0 debugger did not work correctly when I installed jdk 1.3.
(yet i'm sure that if not allready, in the near future the JDK debugger
interface will eliminate such difficulties for IDEs that are being
developed)
If you HAVE to use j++ please email me so I can forward the instructions to
you. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
if you have any questions please contact me directly so we don't disturb
others who have subscribed to j3d mailing list
(Dave, i'll make sure that when I switch to another IDE, it will be
JBuilder. tanx :) for the info)
Happy Coding,
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Syrus Mesdaghi Full Sail Real World Education
3D Gaming Instructor 3300 University BLVD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Winter Park FL 32792
http://www.fullsail.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Opus Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] VJ++ hack. Re: [JAVA3D] Java3d and J++
>Syrus,
> Have you tried any other IDE besides VJ++ and Visual Cafe? If you
>haven't then you are closing some doors for yourself. Instead of having to
>configure your IDE to use the _REAL_ jdk why don't you use one that was
>written to use the _READ_ jdk. I had some really bad experiences with
>Visual Cafe and VJ++. I have have also tried JBuilder, Visual Age and
>Forte. Out of all those IDEs I still prefer JBuilder because it conforms
>to what Sun has layed out as what java source should look like. But I
>guess each to our own.
>
>regards,
>Dave
>
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Syrus Mesdaghi wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>> As I explained I use ONLY sun's class files (that I specify in the
registry)
>> to compile and also use Sun's VM when running. I disable j++ from finding
>> ANY of the MS class files by changing the references that are stored in
the
>> registry. I will forward the instructions ASAP. I believed that you
will
>> be convinced once you take a look at the doc that I will forward. I do
have
>> VisualCafe Expert Edition 4.0, but I still prefer to use j++.
>> Take Care,
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>> Syrus Mesdaghi Full Sail Real World Education
>> 3D Gaming Instructor 3300 University BLVD
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winter Park FL 32792
>> http://www.fullsail.com
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Opus Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 4:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [JAVA3D] VJ++ hack. Re: [JAVA3D] Java3d and J++
>>
>>
>> >Unfortunately I have found that VJ++ has some proprietry stuff in it
that
>> >will not allow classes compiled by it to run on other JVMs. So it kind
>> >defeats the purpose of developing java if you use VJ++.
>> >
>> >Dave Martin
>> >
>> >On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Syrus Mesdaghi wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello All,
>> >> in regard to J++ I have to say that it is one of the best IDEs that I
>> have
>> >> ever used. Originally, I went through many difficulties to get j++ to
>> work,
>> >> but after looking in the registry and performing several experiments,
I
>> got
>> >> it to work. In fact, I have been using it for about 1 year without
any
>> >> difficulty. Again, I have it setup so it uses ONLY SUN's latest
>> releases.
>> >> in fact changing from one version to another, or adding any extensions
>> such
>> >> as J3D, Comm, or ... is relatively easy. I have written a doc that
>> >> explains how to get it to work. I will find it and post it to the list
by
>> >> Monday (99% tomorrow).
>> >> I should note that the main advantage of it is to get the popup
helpers
>> and
>> >> the "clean" error messages. (as I said, j++ works for j3d and any
other
>> ext.
>> >> as long as you have the jar or a zip that contains them. unlike some
>> other
>> >> IDEs you don't have to have the source code for the popup helper to
work.
>> >> please note that the debugger does not work so if you want to be able
to
>> use
>> >> the debugger you should consider using another IDE)
>> >>
>> >> Take Care
>>
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>> >> Syrus Mesdaghi Full Sail Real World Education
>> >> 3D Gaming Instructor 3300 University BLVD
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winter Park FL 32792
>> >> http://www.fullsail.com
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