Hi,
I have to feel the same way. I'm part foa company which is looking for a
really good way of getting 3d on the weband for general applications
building. I chose java 3d due to knowing java.
So far i've had nothing but problems with it.
1. Loaders. From my previous messages on here i'm sure people can guess i've
had problems getting these to work. Why only have 2 loaders built in. I
never know where to place the extra loaders i download and so have only ever
got one extra loader to work. I'm still trying to get the ncsa one's to
work.
2. Tutorials and examples. I've got a compy of the sun java3d tutorial
printed out and have looked at and read most of it. Currently i've found a
far better resource site at
http://www.vislab.usyd.edu.au/java3d/slides/mt0000.htm which is titled
"introduction to programmiong with java3d". It's far better than any of the
tutorials i've found so far.
3. Bugs. I've not come across a problem with this but due to having hardly
started with java3d thats hardly surprising really. Once i've got into it
abit more i may well find i've having problems due to them.
For java3d to be a viable option for most people it really is going to have
to change.
My experince in java is very limited due to not having had the chance to
program in it for a while (company i work for "loves" macromedia propducts
so i've been stuck using Director *ergh* for a while. These posts have got
me to feel that i could easily knock up some simple examples that only need
to gice people a taster of what it's capable of. It'd help me alot to do
this aswell and maybe persaude my company that it's a vaible platform. Whish
is one thing i'm struggling to do currently.
Thats my rant on the subject. From someone who would love to use java3d but
in the 2 weeks of looking at it has got along way in learning it but has hit
so many problem i wonder why i've not given in, and why i've not managed to
learn far more aswell.
NEIL
> > David wrote:
>
> > It "feels" like Sun is not committed to making Java3d a true
> > alternative to other 3d libraries. Why do I say this?
>
> All these points and more I ear bashed Kevin Rushforth with - and the
> local Sun marketing reps - back in early July when they were over here.
> I was fortunate enough to spend a couple of hours with Kevin having a
> good chat one to on without the marketroids interfering. He's patently
> aware of the problems now and I'm glad a few others are starting to rant
> and too. Perhaps the message will finally get through.
>
> As you say, Open Sourcing the code is probably the best fix for it. In
> general, the engineers within Sun would really like to do it, it is
> middle level management that won't let it out the door. For example, 12
> months ago Sun stopped supporting JSDT. Since then, Rich Burridge, the
> engineer working on the project and now technical lead of Mozilla on
> Solaris, has been trying to get them to release the source code to me
> under the LGPL. Local managers etc all agree, but about 3 or 4 levels up
> they just say no without any consideration every time it comes up.
>
> Even if it can't be OSS, then how about very quick release schedules.
> Construct a developer area that houses nightly or weekly build of the
> code. Every so often, go through a full test process (not that it feels
> like the Sun code currently does that) and put a formal version number
> on it. At least that way those of us willing to sit on the bleeding edge
> can test their code and give it much greater feedback.
>
> The alternative to this is to build our own OSS implementation of the
> API and keep it unofficial. I'm very happy to devote some development
> time and all of the server space/resources I can muster for such a
> project.
>
> Shawn Kendall, As you lead a set of students, would this be an
> interesting project for them to work on? I'm thinking here that there
> are a *heap* of great teaching points about how to build a scenegraph
> and then how that effects an optimised low level coding, sort routines,
> that sort of thing. As none of us can afford to pay for the JCK it would
> remain unofficial, but then look at what Mesa has done to OpenGL.
>
> --
> Justin Couch Author, Java Hacker
> http://www.vlc.com.au/~justin/ Java 3D FAQ Maintainer
> http://www.j3d.org/ J3D.org The Java 3D Community Site
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