Doesn't this remind you of propaganda posters? It is kind of hypnotic... I have noticed he uses symmetry and cadence to punctuate his points, whatever his point is.
I am confused actually as to the point of contention between Justin and Paul. I have been reading these arguments for almost 2 years now and I think I can boil it down to this: 1. Sun has some VRML loaders that Paul really, really likes. 2. Paul has done awsome, stupendous and absolutely amazing things with Sun VRML loaders (see 50 URL links for evidence) 3. Some people, due to their inadequacies as programmers, found the Sun VRML loaders to not be a performative solution, nor completely implement the VRML 2.0 spec. 4. Justin and Giles were hired to write a new implementation which addressed these misguided concerns. 5. The National Science Foundation support this effort and because of this they have betrayed their trust and indirectly are causing deaths of American soldiers. 6. The Center for Human Modeling and Simulation at UPenn have betrayed their professional obligations and are responsible for a decline in the H-Anim e-mail list. 7. The unethical conduct of Couch / Beitler / Hudson are hurting disabled / disadvantaged children by undermining the technology they so desperately need. I think there is a longer list of atrocities perpetrated by Couch et al, and if we are lucky, Paul will tell us more of them in a response to this e-mail. Dave Yazel -----Original Message----- From: P. Flavin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JAVA3D] New book demos Scenegraph, Picking in 3d VRML w. Sun VRML Loaders Greetings ... I made truthful statements about the things I use: Java, VRML, Java3d, Linux, Mozilla, Forte, H-Anim. My version of the Sun VRML Loaders run exactly as I have described. Justin has zero first hand knowledge of what I have done on my machine with my programs. Justin can talk about __ his __ failures with the Sun VRML Loaders, but ___ his __ failures are not indicative of, evidence of, or proof of what I could or could not do, have or have not done. The hypothesis that Justin Couch tried and failed, and therefore no one else on the face of the earth could possibly succeed is a fallacy. I thought about putting in a disclaimer, the fact I'm mentioning this book doesn't mean the author agrees with me. But why ? You have stood by while Justin, Alan, and Matt lied about me, made vulgar and threatening comments to and about me, I don't owe you any favors, and I did not "use" you to fight a personal battle or "use" you at all. It's wrong for Justin to disparage the good code that Sun wrote for you, I, and others to use, code that you, I, and others have used, and attack people who used it successfully --- well me anyway --- on the Sun List. I don't have any interest in disparaging or obstructing the progress of any new loaders, but if someone lies and attacks me I will defend myself and defend the truth, as I should. It's for the better if someone adds functionality to the Sun Loaders, or creates better ones, but saying I'm "bullshitting" -- when I am not -- when I wrote that I was happily and successfully using the Sun VRML Loader to animate the H-Anim avatars, is just wrong, and you know it. These people can gain financially by destroying and tearing down others to make themselves appear to better than they are -- it's not right to do that -- but clearly for some of these people ethics does not constrain ambition. It would be nice if you would stand up for what is right, but I don't really expect that. And it does bother me that people, paid with taxpayer funds: from the NSF in Matt Beitler's case, from the Navy in Justin Couch's case: lie, slander, threaten, and do real harm to our progress and discussions. Justin Couch lied. It's true. Speak the truth. The Sun VRML Loaders can be used to animate Web3d's H-Anim Avatars, in a browser, or out, on Windows, On Linux, Solaris, and other Unixes. I've done it. ( I haven't verified Solaris and other Unixes. ) If you believe otherwise, I can understand, I would have thought that the people at the National Science Foundation would actually do their jobs --- there is a war on --- the NSF is funded in part to build our national defense: educational & technology being tools that can save the lives of our soldiers. But they, and you, decided to defend the liars. Thanks anyway. Animating Humans with Java and Java3d is important and used for the military, education, ( hopefully soon ) MPEG-4, and things like teaching American Signing Language and Finger Spelling for the benefit of disabled / disadvantaged children. The unethical conduct of Couch / Beitler / Hudson has done real harm, not just to me, but to all of us using Java and VRML, even if you don't know it. Norman Badler and the n at the University of Pennsylvania have betrayed their professional obligations as recipients of NSF funds and damaged what should have been a natural, happy combination of modeling human animation with Java, as I have done, with Java3d and VRML, with the Sun VRML Loaders. Here are two metrics to measure the damage done: 1) The decline in postings to the H-Anim Group: ( just 8 posts in 2002 so far ): http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/h-anim/hypermail/2002/ http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/h-anim/hypermail/2001/ 2) Fear of discussing Java & VRML as a solution for a 3d Virtual "CAVE", the only option offered was to tie the solution to Microsoft's ActiveX, using a "Windows only" solution ( maybe the Mac, but not Linux ) using a closed, proprietary viewer from a foreign country. I received a reply from the original poster, but he didn't want to discuss it openly ( which is understandable given that discussions have devolved and deteriorted to the state where people like you and he want to avoid being involved in a helpfull, mutually advantagous, open discussions. Keep in mind taxpayer funds go to NSF, NIST, Navy to help build US industries ( I'm all for free trade ) but the NIST built a large Linux conferancing system that could work well with Java3d & VRML ... why not use Java3d, Linux or Solaris, and VRML rather than another "Windows Only" or "Internet Explorer Only" with the monopolist's ActiveX. I'm tired of fighting against the illegal monopolist, and then having people paid by the Navy, NIST, & NSF be dishonest, unhelfull, and in fact be destructive. | I am seeking solutions to the problem of viewing | VRML worlds on a NAVE. | | The overview of the NAVE can be found at | | http://www.digitalworlds.ufl.edu/research/nave/default.asp | | There is one host PC that sends position and orientation | information (of the avatar) to each of 3 PCs, | each of which projects an image onto a panel. | | With 3 panels, one obtains a panoramic view. | | We'd like to make the NAVE available to | the display of VRML (and X3D). | This would open the NAVE to many more applications. | http://www.web3d.org/www-vrml/hypermail/2002/01/0423.html | Assuming the Cortona VRML Player ActiveX | control can give you such notifications .. | http://www.web3d.org/www-vrml/hypermail/2002/01/0424.html | New Candian CAVE, the Worlds Newest & Best with Java3d | ------------------------------------------------------ | A unique feature of the center ... is the ability | to create 3D models of biological systems | (e.g., genomes, organs, cancer cells) using a | Java 3D API-enabled Sun FireTM 6800 server | with a CAVE (CAVE Automatic Virtual Environment) | walk-in virtual room often likened to Star Trek's Holodeck. | | http://www.supercomputingonline.com/article.php?sid=1609 | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0203&L=java3d-interes&P=2242 | NIST delves into pervasive computing | ------------------------------------ | | Pervasive-computing systems could make | conference rooms brainy, according to the | Smart Space Laboratory researchers at the | National Institute of Standards and Technology. | ... | The meeting room ... [has] five steerable | Sony EVI-D30 videoconferencing cameras ... | [and] about 200 low-cost ... microphones ... | | The open-source clustering software can harness | up to 24 computers, Stanford said. | | NIST has made the source code and | documentation available for download at | | http://www.nist.gov/smartspace/toolChest/nsfs | | http://www.gcn.com/21_3/tech-report/17856-1.html | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0202&L=java3d-interest&P=34448 I can understand why they wouldn't want to use Java3d with Sun VRML Loaders: The attacks from Yumetech & U. Penn can be brutal. Think. Be honest. Good luck. Daniel Selman wrote: > Paul, > > Please don't use me to fight your personal battles, > in which I have no interest. > > The sample you mention only loads a very > simple static VRML file -- as I suspect you well know. > > I am not claiming that the original VRML loaders > are suitable for all VRML models nor do I wish to > detract from the ongoing X3D efforts. > > Personally I think Justin et al should be commended > for continuing to advance the functionality of the > VRML loaders -- something that I see few other people doing. > > Sincerely, > > Daniel Selman > http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0203&L=java3d-interest&P=9169 Do you think Justin, Alan Hudson, and the U. Penn people should lie, threaten people, use vulagar language and attack people untruthfully, as they have on the Java3d-interest list, and the Source and H-Anim lists ? That's the question. I'm guessing you're hoping your book gets a good mention in the j3d.org FAQ, which is controlled by Justin Couch. It's too bad your examples don't show the animation capabilities of the Sun VRML Loaders. You missed a good opportunity: You believed Justin then ? That makes me sad. I like to see the truth prevail. Aaron Walsh used Justin Couch as his 'Java expert' and he wrote to books both talking about using Java3d to animate Web3d's H-Anim Avatars ( as I have done ) AND ... In the first book they claim the Sun VRML Loaders can't be used to animate the H-Anim Avatars and in both book they have source code demos that are kind-of-sort-of related to H-Anim Avatars, but not really, as you can see on these pages: http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/games_with_java3d.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/java3d_and_vrml.html Couch / Beitler / Hudson have been interested in animating H-Anim Avatars with Java3d ( as I have done ) and they attack and lie rather just contribute and just do good honest work. You want to commend those who add functionality to the VRML Loaders ? : Good. Great. Fantastic. That is exactly what I have been doing. Err ... thank you ( blushing ). Java and VRML is a great combination. We should be able to discuss this stuff honestly, and I have. I've been using Java3d, to animate Web3d's H-Anim Avatars. It's been fun. Very Sincerely, -- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator ----------------------------------------------------- "Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard" =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help". =========================================================================== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JAVA3D-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
