yeah - hence my desire for the distro to come from somewhere else
eventually. But for consumers, its still not good enough. Its a real
shame to see all the consumer JRE hard work done now going to waste.



On Nov 11, 8:24 pm, Joe Data <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2:23 am, Joshua Marinacci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The addons to not increase the download size unless you choose the  
> > extra install. With the kernel the minimum install is greatly reduced  
> > from the previous JRE installs.
>
> > - Josh, on the go
>
> The problem is that it is opt-out - downloading the MSN toolbar is
> checked by default, so if you just click through the process, you got
> yourself a new toolbar.  As the Inquirer points out, that probably got
> Sun more money, although Eric "We'll put Java on the iPhone" Klein
> from Sun claimed otherwise first (http://www.theregister.co.uk/
> 2008/11/10/sun_stows_ms_search_on_java).
>
> In my mind, Sun has a bad history of bundling its own products
> (Netbeans, OpenOffice, Glassfish) with the JDK to increase market
> share for said items.
>
> Karsten
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