Guys -

I love the show. One comment though, on the SwingX and Painter stuff,
it's pretty clear that you're not familiar with the issues. You might
want to research them or get someone one who does understand before
you talk about them in depth.

Dick, the issue with the painters is that they *did* happen. The
community did go out and get them done and put into the SwingX
project. The decision was then made by Sun (who controls SwingX) to
yank them out. This was done after quite a while (at least a year, I
believe) and quite a lot of community input and excitement about the
feature. Here's Josh's announcement of the removal:
http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21745. To quote Krill
Grouchnikov: "This has effectively destroyed the trust of external
contributors, who never came back, even after Sun developers have
retired themselves from being involved in the project." (Reference:
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2008/11/sun_setting_dow.html)

Now, of course there are always reasons. But, I think the community
frustration was the lack of discussion. It was done in a very heavy-
handed way.

Rob
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