As I have stated several times before: I did not and will not remove  
the painter api.

Please read the entire email thread. What I *did* do is refactor the  
painter api to be simpler and recommend takeing other approaches for  
particular use cases. We had the choice between continuing to search  
for a complete solution that would take a long time and still might  
not exist, or ship something more limited that works today. We opted  
for the latter.

I still would like a more powerful system but the JXLayer project has  
proven to be a better approach to the the problem.

- Josh, on the go

On Nov 24, 2008, at 8:26 AM, robeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Guys -
>
> I love the show. One comment though, on the SwingX and Painter stuff,
> it's pretty clear that you're not familiar with the issues. You might
> want to research them or get someone one who does understand before
> you talk about them in depth.
>
> Dick, the issue with the painters is that they *did* happen. The
> community did go out and get them done and put into the SwingX
> project. The decision was then made by Sun (who controls SwingX) to
> yank them out. This was done after quite a while (at least a year, I
> believe) and quite a lot of community input and excitement about the
> feature. Here's Josh's announcement of the removal:
> http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=21745. To quote Krill
> Grouchnikov: "This has effectively destroyed the trust of external
> contributors, who never came back, even after Sun developers have
> retired themselves from being involved in the project." (Reference:
> http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kirillcool/archive/2008/11/sun_setting_dow.html 
> )
>
> Now, of course there are always reasons. But, I think the community
> frustration was the lack of discussion. It was done in a very heavy-
> handed way.
>
> Rob
> >

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