On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Jess Holle <[email protected]> wrote: > Michael Kimsal wrote: > > Really? I think it shows that Sun hasn't historically been all that >> concerned about the Mac. >> > > Agreed - that too. They've wanted mass consumer markets handed to them, > instead of doing mass marketing. AOL managed to get software on everyone's > PCs from 1995-2003, through mailers, magazine inserts, bundling dealings, > etc. Sun sued MS for *not* including the type of Java they wanted > distributed. > > More accurately they sued Microsoft for including something they called > Java but with 2 key portability technologies (JNI and RMI) ripped out. > Microsoft was actively saying that JNI and RMI were no good and that one > should simply use Windows-specific technologies instead. This was an > obvious and strong Windows-lock-in strategy. > > The lawsuit was damaging, but I don't think Sun had any choice. >
There were 2 different suits AFAIR - one against MS initially for "changing" Java. The second when MS decided to drop distributing Java altogether. That's the one I was talking about. > > > > Again, if Java is key to their future, being more in control of how and > when versions shipped would seem to be paramount. Leaving these decisions > to competitors (Sun and Apple and IBM all sell hardware, though admittedly > to somewhat different markets at the moment) just seems like *really bad > business*. This is not me talking as a techie saying "ooh - I want the > latest java". It's me thinking "why would you leave your competitors in > charge of how and when people get access to your differentiating factor?". > > If you have infinite resources you'd push your stuff everywhere. > > Given Sun's quite clearly limited resources, tiny high cost markets like > OSX and AIX just have to be left to their own vendors. > I guess I'm not sure how things like Firefox and libsdl, with clearly fewer resources than Sun, manage to get their stuff ported to OSX. > > Apple clearly does not care all that much about any portability > technologies -- they care about their own branding, eye candy, and unique > value proposition. Portability is critical to real use, but it is "me too" > stuff in Apple's book. > > Agreed, just like MS doesn't either, regardless of whatever rhetoric they put out. -- Michael Kimsal http://michaelkimsal.com 919.827.4724 - Skype 919.455.8488 - Cell --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
