I would really like to hear back from Ed. He is not the first person to have a bad reaction to JavaFX initially. There seems to be some sort of a mental hurdle that a lot of people face, including myself 2 years ago. Once they play with it enough they suddenly 'get it' and become happy and very productive, even with the earlier buggy releases. I've heard from many smart people going through this, so clearly there is more going on here than just "It's different, so I don't like it". Perhaps we are presenting the language improperly, or we are demonstrating the wrong features first. I'm not sure what's going on but I'd like to dig down into it and find out.
- Josh On May 6, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot wrote: > > Summary of OP: > > I looked at it, it sucked. I won't tell you why; instead I'll just > whinge, because I'm a non-contributing zero. > > Ed, post some constructive criticism, or go away. > > NB: Michael, Gladwell is a gifted author, a real yarnspinner, but you > shouldn't quote him with the presumption that his delusional ranting > has any basis in fact, at least, not in polite company. However, in > the vein of completing the argument in a proposed faulty logic frame > being just as effective as proving the logic is false in the first > place: People who have actually used JavaFX almost never complain. If > you follow the posse, or read anything about java at all, you'd know > that the update to get is 6u10, which you didn't have. No wonder stuff > isn't working quite as well as it should; the fact that it does work > in the first place is a small miracle. > > > Joshua, do you know when apple will roll out something with the > flavour of 6u10 across all macs? My mac is still on 1.6.0_07-b06-153. > Could be because I've been downloading releases from > developer.apple.com. > > On May 6, 3:13 am, Ed <[email protected]> wrote: >> Why is JavaFX such an extreme departure from Java? At least Flex has >> ActionScript and MXML--something that anyone reading this list can >> figure out without having to look up and strain to grok. >> >> I am trying, really trying, to get into JavaFX but I just cannot >> tolerate it's ugliness. JavaFX has to be the single most unintuitive >> language to come out since COBOL. I mean really...can you be >> serious? >> >> I know that on one of the recent podcasts the posse was in agreement >> that JavaFX was going to be the future of desktop Java but I >> respectfully disagree. There is just no possible way any sizable >> group of critical mass will ever adopt JavaFX. As with any >> technology, there will be 'pockets of users' but the whole reason we >> came over to Java from C++ was for the elegance and safety of Java. >> The write once redevelop everywhere fantasy has been painful for the >> past 15 years; Java is just now coming of age where we can actually >> write something once and get the rest for free. Why did Sun, now >> Oracle, ever let JavaFX out of the lab? >> >> JavaFX will do more harm than good for Java; the most JavaFX will do >> is make people consider Flex, and or Silverlight all that much more. >> >> What's so wrong with Swing anyway, why can't we just rev Swing and >> Java3D? >> >> I can see Groovy (or substitute your favorite JVM language Scala, >> Clojure...etc here) breaking out with an elegant/terse wrapper around >> the Swing, Java2D, Java3D primitives long...long before JavaFX ever >> gets past the demo experiment that it is. Oracle should bury JavaFX >> as fast as it can. >> >> That said the JavaFX 'rendering engine' is awesome. Just awesome. >> If >> you haven't yet tried it you are missing something truly great. >> Oracle should roll the JavaFX engine into a standard Java7 >> library. I >> think JavaFX is the right idea it just needs (come on guys) a >> realistic scripting language behind it. >> >> I know I have been hard on JavaFX, I have I hopes for the future of >> Java and I strongly believe Java needs something like JavaFX going >> forward. Great job to those who worked on JavaFX--as a developer I >> know how much work it must have taken--it was a necessary first step >> in a much needed direction. >> >> Overall I give JavaFX a 'B-' >> >> - >> ed > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
