Simon,

I'm rarely at a loss for words, for better or worse. :-)

Regarding "nice, flexible off-the-shelf components": we absolutely
have no use for charts and such (and if we did, we'd probably be happy
with one of the legion of charting libs out there already).  I'd be
interested in using JavaFX for not-uncomplicated visualizations and
highly-interactive interfaces to the same.  If JavaFX is *only*
available within swing as the basis for various off-the-shelf
components, that would be unfortunate.

To be clear, I'm rooting for Sun/Oracle/JavaFX; we have way too much
invested in the JVM to not hope that things do settle out in a
positive way.  Hopefully my comments are taken as constructive
criticism, as that's how they're intended.

As for using it or not -- one has to make choices about what to spend
time on.  If something clearly has issues that would prevent its use
and deployment, then I have to steer clear, unless there's some
autodidactic potential. I *think* Josh was looking for why people
might be initially shying away from JavaFX, so I figured I qualified.

Cheers,

- Chas

On May 6, 8:59 pm, Simon Brocklehurst <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chas,
>
> You have plenty to say, considering you've never used JavaFX
> Script ;-)
>
> Here's a reality check...
>
> I've been programming complex graphics, in a variety of languages, for
> over twenty five years, since I was a kid. On everything from early 8-
> bit microcomputers, through high-end vector and raster graphics
> systems from companies like Evans & Sutherland and Silicon Graphics
> (when those were hot companies!), to modern workstations and desktop
> computers running Unix, Mac OS, and Windows.
>
> There's no doubt about this - JavaFX Script is *the* most fun and
> productive way for coding graphical applications ever created. That
> makes it potentially a massively important new technology.
>
> Sure, some nice, flexible off-the-shelf components are absolutely
> needed for the everyday stuff like building forms and charts.  A
> useful bunch of those are coming in the next release, as I understand
> it.
>
> And sure, there's a whole bunch of other issues with the platform as a
> whole that will need to be resolved before it will see widespread
> adoption. No technical red flags though (although, maybe some rocket
> science required).  Bottom line is: Oracle has a huge opportunity with
> JavaFX. I hope it takes it.
>
> On May 6, 9:41 pm, Chas Emerick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >  Please note that I've not played with javafx at
> > all
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