Josh answered some in his overview. I know nothing about the state of the Eclipse plugin but if I'm not mistaken Josh already told the next releases of JavaFX will see the native UI controls. And with a little patience we will have clarity at JavaOne. But I'm guessing... :-) For what the size and performance of the Java plugin is concerned I'm afraid nothing will change until project Jigsaw comes to completion. Or whatever JVM modularization technique will be used. Doesn somebody knows what the state of Jigsaw is btw ?
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Adam G. <[email protected]> wrote: > > Did anybody answered Jan? > > Well, I see all the points that he mentioned and I also see them > appearing in our environment. People are still biased with Java > Applets as slow and heavy on the one hand, however, on the other hand > the developers have a hard time with JavaFX: > > 1) Already mentioned, JavaFX only with Netbeans and even with not the > same support as Java (wrong errors, code completions issues). > > 2) Very poor UI elements set, only label and textfield, where is e.g. > the passwordfield? > > 3) Embedding Swing components into JavaFX brings lots of trouble in > event handling. It is very easy to embed whole Swing apps, but if you > then do and kind of dragging or what ever over these embedded Swing > stuff, the events are caught and "lost". That sucks! You can avoid > this placing an transparent JFX layer on top during d'n'd but still it > sucks. > > So overall JavaFX is a very nice idea and technology, but still, back > to topic, the implementation lacks a lot! We will see the commitment > of Sunracle in the next months! > > Cheers, > Adam > > On May 7, 10:43 am, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: > > For what I am concerned I particularly appreciate JavaFX for its > modernized > > language and its accessible graphical and multi-media package. I guess > some > > people won't agree, but I'm considering the JavaFX programming language > as > > the natural successor of the Java language. It provides modern features > Java > > probably never will have. (no slamming to anyone intended) The graphical > and > > multi-media package is a huge step forward because in Java this is a lot > > more coding and reading to achieve the same results. And the ability to > have > > your interface designed with a graphical package is absolutely smashing ! > > FINALLY having an artist on the project will make difference in the end. > My > > main concerns is about the tools and performance. Giving a JavaFX demo > with > > Netbeans is a bit embarrassing as it takes quite some time to compile and > > start the application. Especially if you're trying to convince your > audience > > JavaFX is the next thing to have. Having to replace the runtime jar in > > Netbeans doesn't help either... > > Alas, I have to admit my environment is not so enthusiastic about > > JavaFX. The usual remarks I'm getting : > > * Is it right there's only a textbox and label component ? They cheated > by > > including Swing, didn't they ? Hahahaha... > > * Where's the graphical designer tool ? > > * Is it actually useful in a project ? Frequently they don't consider > JavaFX > > to be something more than a half-baked, quickly assembled technology, > used > > to counter flex. > > * Don't tell me it needs the whole Java plugin to run ? Usually followed > by > > some ranting about applets, the size of the download and the startup > speed > > of the jre... > > * The killer question: Show me how to make a master-detail screen. In > flex > > it would take me a few minutes. (Which I now is true because I'm using > Flex > > for my current project) > > > > It weird to notice most people don't care about the fact JavaFX relies on > > the 100-times-over proven efficiency of a JVM. Especially if you consider > > the way flex is doing this. > > > > The first reflex of much people seem to be looking for the gui components > > and the graphical design tool. Because that's what 95% of the GUI's all > > about : Data entry with standard input components. And I guess many come > > back dissapointed when they're quickly examing JavaFX for the first time. > > And the Java plugin is not known for fast starting and easy to install - > > compared to flash that is... > > > > It'll take some time I guess - and (hopefully) some backing from > Sun/Oracle. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
