The current generation of IDEs already supports this navigation
approach, just not the visualization. I hardly ever go through the file
hierachy to find a file to open, I use the shortcuts to open types or
resources, I use the shortcut to go into a method that's called, I find
all callers via another shortcut or hit a key to see the hierarchy for
an object. And then there is the object browsing, hot code replacement
and all the other cool stuff in the debugger.
If you are still using vi/emacs/whatever you should probably go back and
check out the keyboard reference chart of a proper IDE. I only recently
converted a hard-core vi user to Eclipse (or at least an Eclipse/vi
combo) -- it is pretty easy to see an IDE just as a glorified text
editor, in which case sticking with vi makes sense if you already know
it. But an IDE is much more than that, but it is not all that obvious.
The code bubbles just make it obvious, but that by itself is a major
achievement.
Peter
On 12/03/10 02:46, Alexey Zinger wrote:
I gotta say, this is the first IDE I want to use. Yes, I know, I
haven't actually tried it, so it's a bit premature for such judgments,
but I can't help but feel enthralled. I'm a little concerned about
what it'll feel like to work on longer methods, where vertical
scrolling is necessary. I guess in that situation your bubble takes
up as much vertical real estate as you can give it and then if the
user would probably start moving its sibling bubbles to the side to
give it maximum height. I guess it could work...
As far as a paradigm shift, I don't see it. Both in IDE's and in
plain text editors, it seems most people spend a lot of time
referencing API docs, other snippets of relevant code, often looking
at the same set of snippets of code for any given problem, etc. I
think this thing matches the current paradigm perfect, but with a
better execution than what's on the market presently.
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*From:* Brian Ehmann <[email protected]>
*To:* The Java Posse <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thu, March 11, 2010 11:31:35 AM
*Subject:* [The Java Posse] Re: Code Bubbles: A really weird new IDE.
(Posse: Interview this guy!)
I really like its approach. The UI appears to intuitively allow a
developer to narrow their focus to the parts of the code that are
absolutely necessary in order to accomplish a given task. Also, the
ability to send a serialized copy of a given section of my workspace
to another developer is another plus. Its strikes me as the next
evolutionary step from pastbin since you can build out the context of
the message you are trying to get across with the appropriate code
fragments, notes, and flags.
Unfortunately, going from seeing entire source files in a project tree
to functions in a bubble is such a radical change that I wonder if it
will be difficult for developers to adapt their practices in order to
take advantage of the features of Code Bubbles.
- Brian
On Mar 11, 6:00 am, Johannes Thönes <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> Yes I agreed. It is a very interesting approach. And I would love to
> hear an interview about this.
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Reinier Zwitserloot
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > I stumbled on this video of Code Bubbles in action:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsPX0nElJ0k
>
> > and was quite amazed. I'm not sure if its pragmatic to have so little
> > signal-to-noise when actually typing new code, but there's easy
> > solutions around this. Basically, your IDE is an effectively boundless
> > plane and the granularity of editing anything isn't per-file but per-
> > method/class, with the method/classes actual location just metadata,
> > with the IDE sorting it all into the appropriate files internally.
> > Navigating anywhere is primarily via a search-in-everything keyboard
> > box, and code appears in bubbles on this infinite plane. If you do
> > things like "visit declaration", the declaration opens, but in a new
> > bubble, visible together with the original code, instead of what most
> > current IDEs do, which is to open a new 'tab' and replace the view
> > entirely. It would also be an _amazing_ pair programming / code review
> > IDE if only you could all work in one plane, each having their own
> > little section in it, with you able to freely travel to someone else's
> > space. Unfortunately from the video it seems like all you can do is
> > email workspace layouts around, but that too could be addressed, I
> > guess.
>
> > Later on in the video a debug session is started which really does
> > look amazing (for code editing I'm not entirely convinced yet, but
> > that looks like a fantastic debugger!)
>
> > I know discussions about "Why are code editors still a glorified dumb
> > terminal" show up from time to time and this is certainly something
> > new.
>
> > There isn't a download yet; more info is here:
> >http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/acb/codebubbles_site.htm
>
> > I wouldn't mind seeing an interview of Andrew Bragdon about this :)
>
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