No worries. That's just a flippant saying to reflect that the free market model 
is riddled with problems and yet it is the best model out there, IMHO.

Free beer is good, but yes, the freedom for me as an individual to spend my 
time the way I see fit or lack of freedom to take advantage of someone's work 
without compensating him for it. Maybe our understanding of a (general) free 
market model is different?

I would agree with your examples, in general, even though specifically I'd 
dispute most of them. The cave man who "invented" fire had a patent and was 
better off than his fireless buddies for a time. His patent was if someone 
tried to steal his property he would kill them. He had a monopoly punishable by 
death. I bet he got all the hot cave women...

In the absolute, I would agree that patents are not absolutely necessary for 
innovation. Some people would do it just for the sake of doing it. Most would 
not. 

Would you agree that patents and property rights greatly accelerate the rate of 
innovations, accelerating the growth of a free market economy? 

Why would I would I work nights and weekends to come up with a solution to a 
real world problem if I knew that as soon as I did I received nothing for it? 
The answer is I would not. I would do something where I would get rewarded 
instead. Camp, fish, raise kids, work a few extra hours for that new toy money, 
you get the picture. 

Why would a pharmaceutical company spend millions on researching a new cancer 
drug if they knew they were just throwing money out the window? If they had to 
turn over the results to the market where their competitors, without investing 
millions, could turn around and use that knowledge against them? Out of the 
goodness of their own humanity? I think not.

People are going to randomly create things things that make their life easier 
or better. A patent(in a perfect world) helps motivate someone or business by 
ensuring that their investment in time and money will be a good one. I believe 
you must have some form of this in a free market economy. Yes it may be riddled 
with problems, yes at times it impedes growth, but without it I would argue 
that a free market economy would fail. Sort of a two steps forward, one step 
back approach as apposed to a very small baby step forward.


--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Viktor Klang <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Viktor Klang <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Software Patents
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 3:12 PM

Oh, I apologize, I meant this:

"The free market economic model is a lousy one, 
but it is the best by far."  <---- That
 sentence doesn't make sense.

Connecting free markets with patents (artificial constraints) doesn't make 
sense. Because I'm going out on a limb here and think it's "free" as in freedom 
and not in beer?


This will be a veeeery long discussion, but let's agree on that we got the 
wheel, the fire, the agriculture and roads and clothes and a lot more without 
any patents. So, saying that patents are needed to fuel innovation is simply 
not true.


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Scott Melton <[email protected]> 
wrote:

All of those sentences make sense to me... Maybe my wording isn't clear, sorry, 
I AM an engineer... 

I think I understand what you meant, but (in my opinion) it is not "the very 
purpose of patent law to reduce freedom in the market". I hope it is not even A 
purpose in a free market model.


An unintended(hopefully) consequence of patent law is to reduce some freedom in 
a limited fashion for some people for a limited period of time with the 
intended purpose of rewarding innovators and preserving the concept of personal 
ownership. That would be my "rose colored glasses" way of looking at this 
complex problem/solution.


I know very little about patent laws or their effect on any business model and 
did not intend on joining the discussion. I just wanted to point out a post 
that I thought was unpleasant and to encourage people to air their opinion,
 biased or not. I threw in an opinion to not be completely off topic.

Please, you folks that know something about this issue, carry on.

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Viktor Klang <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Viktor Klang <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Software Patents and Joe bashing

To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 11:58 AM



On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Scott Melton <[email protected]> 
wrote:


Not knowing much about anyone making the decisions(other than they are human, 
most of them), simply greedy, applied to this complex problem, would be an over 
simplification. A component of the problem? Sure. 



Assuming they are more knowledgeable about patent law than I am is a given. I 
can only hope that the process involves experts in the field they are ruling 
over with some system of checks and balances. A false hope maybe. If so then 
that is part of the process that is broken.



The free market economic model is a lousy one, but it is the best by far. 
That sentence doesn't make sense. The very purpose of patent law is to reduce 
freedom in the market.


A patent is a virtual monopoly, reducing manufacturing competition and process 
efficiency.
 

Government intrusion on this model is a rarely helpful yet necessary weevil. 
Caution should be to limit it where ever possible.




 

Opinion sent from my ASS phone.

--- On Thu, 4/8/10, Mark Volkmann <[email protected]> wrote:



From: Mark Volkmann <[email protected]>


Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Software Patents and Joe bashing
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 10:49 AM



On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Scott Melton <[email protected]> 
wrote:




In a free and open society it is easy to find fault in complicated systems, 
just as it is easy to have a bias, pick sides and misrepresent the facts. One 
example in this thread, I may be wrong, but I think there is good reason for 
simplifying the patent granting process from who invented it first(which can be 
very difficult and costly to prove) to who filed first. Is the change a choice 
between the lesser of two weavels? Certainly. Infinitely more knowledgeable 
people than I made the decision. I will side with them until I become a patent 
lawyer or become so well informed that I can pass judgment on this complicated 
system. 



Why do you assume the people responsible for our current patent system are more 
knowledgeable than you rather than simply more greedy?
-- 
R. Mark Volkmann



Object Computing, Inc.




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